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Nahhhhh I know the ground ops manager at VJ.
He just looks funny cos his ears are a little too far apart and his eyes too close together - so easily mistaken for somebody German or Austrian especially when seen walking around with a boxer dog or indeed somebody born and bred a bit too near Pennington Flash.
Rumour has it he took the ze german dog to the interview and it sealed the deal
(especially as amber knows more about corporate aviation than her owner)
He just looks funny cos his ears are a little too far apart and his eyes too close together - so easily mistaken for somebody German or Austrian especially when seen walking around with a boxer dog or indeed somebody born and bred a bit too near Pennington Flash.
Rumour has it he took the ze german dog to the interview and it sealed the deal
(especially as amber knows more about corporate aviation than her owner)
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VistaJet Salzburg is hiring, but bad contracts are offered
Good+bad news for jobseekers:
Good:
VistaJet is hiring again on all fleets (see website www.vistajet.com,
-->careers, -->Flightcrew
Looking for experienced and typerated Capt. and F/O on Lear, Challenger and BD700 fleets. Good luck for everybody looking for an opportunity.
Bad:
Offering insulting slavery contracts for the new joiners, the new contracts are containing some hilarious terms:
-Salary consists of a base pay + additional flight pay/day, base pay includes 8 working days/month, within the 17on/13off roster the remaining 9 days are paid with the daily flightpay.
e.g. Capt. Challenger, 1st year:
base pay 36k /year, flightpay 260 /day leads to a salary of
64080 /year (before taxes). After taxes (as a single in Austria or Germany) this will give you a net income of only approximately around 32000 /year.
First Officers salarys are approximately half of the Cpt. values shown above.
-Company decides how much you work, so be prepared for an extremely low salary with only base pay in some month if not on the go.
-Working times:
Roster is 17on/13off, but with crewfactor 2 !!! changes are and have been a continues situation within the company. Be prepared to stay 4-6 weeks on a tour away from home with short notice due to planning problems/crew illnesss etc. On the other hand, depending on the rostering departments needs, your off time at home can be reduced to 5 days/month anytime company deems necessary (delayed plane delivery etc.).
As a result of the low crewfactor they try to shift the financial risks and results of this bad planning on the employees back to keep the salary costs as cheap as possible and the companys profit high.
I welcome everybody as a new collegue, but be advised of the terms of this new contract, read it carefully and decide if you want to put yourself into a slavery. I know these are hard times for some without a job, but I really hope they will not find enough guys to sign this nonsens which lowers the conditions even more.
Cheers!
Good:
VistaJet is hiring again on all fleets (see website www.vistajet.com,
-->careers, -->Flightcrew
Looking for experienced and typerated Capt. and F/O on Lear, Challenger and BD700 fleets. Good luck for everybody looking for an opportunity.
Bad:
Offering insulting slavery contracts for the new joiners, the new contracts are containing some hilarious terms:
-Salary consists of a base pay + additional flight pay/day, base pay includes 8 working days/month, within the 17on/13off roster the remaining 9 days are paid with the daily flightpay.
e.g. Capt. Challenger, 1st year:
base pay 36k /year, flightpay 260 /day leads to a salary of
64080 /year (before taxes). After taxes (as a single in Austria or Germany) this will give you a net income of only approximately around 32000 /year.
First Officers salarys are approximately half of the Cpt. values shown above.
-Company decides how much you work, so be prepared for an extremely low salary with only base pay in some month if not on the go.
-Working times:
Roster is 17on/13off, but with crewfactor 2 !!! changes are and have been a continues situation within the company. Be prepared to stay 4-6 weeks on a tour away from home with short notice due to planning problems/crew illnesss etc. On the other hand, depending on the rostering departments needs, your off time at home can be reduced to 5 days/month anytime company deems necessary (delayed plane delivery etc.).
As a result of the low crewfactor they try to shift the financial risks and results of this bad planning on the employees back to keep the salary costs as cheap as possible and the companys profit high.
I welcome everybody as a new collegue, but be advised of the terms of this new contract, read it carefully and decide if you want to put yourself into a slavery. I know these are hard times for some without a job, but I really hope they will not find enough guys to sign this nonsens which lowers the conditions even more.
Cheers!
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..........64080 /year (before taxes).
I know German/Austrian companies are poor payers but this really is scraping the barrel. I'd like to think nobody will apply but in these times I know someone will have to. I just hope that whoever does can find something more decent as quickly as possible.
64080? That's small cabin money (and there's nothing wrong with flying small cabin aircraft before I put any noses out of joint).
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Flintstone - No joke. I mentioned it before on another thread but did not go into details... Basic Cpt. pay on Challenger 50.000 euro before tax. 
Oh, and you can forget to work your "fixed" schedule, you stay on the road until they found someone who can take over.
Great business we work in don't you think?
Good luck, you'll need it!
CP
Oh, and you can forget to work your "fixed" schedule, you stay on the road until they found someone who can take over.
Great business we work in don't you think?
Good luck, you'll need it!
CP
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Employers stupidity once again! Don't they realise that whoever takes these positions will spend most of their working time looking for a position elsewhere? Massive turnover of staff= increased costs! 
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Bad news. Makes you wonder if VistaJet actually cares about safety. Their poor pilots will be too worried about paying the mortgage and kids-related bills to pay attention to the flying. Let's hope Jet Republic actually gets started and grows so that it can attract the VistaJet pilots away from that slave ship... Ridiculous!!!!
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You know the pay going in, so, if it is not to your liking...don't apply.
OTOH, if one were single, no kids/mortgage/debt...it seems quite reasonable.
From a 'company' point of view, that is precisely what they should be doing.
Businesses are not organized for the employees benefit, they are started and operated for the investors benefit...like it or not.
And, I expect many won't.
OTOH, if one were single, no kids/mortgage/debt...it seems quite reasonable.
As a result of the low crewfactor they try to shift the financial risks and results of this bad planning on the employees back to keep the salary costs as cheap as possible and the companys profit high.
Businesses are not organized for the employees benefit, they are started and operated for the investors benefit...like it or not.
And, I expect many won't.
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Agreed.
Also let us not forget the crews are their best asset apart from the machinery. A happy pilot, will be a "safe" pilot and tend to look after the companies interest, more than a pilot who feels they are being treated as a slave.
Since the "accountants" have the big say there ain't much anyone can do about it in the short term and of course we are all feeling the effects, in these desperate times.
Offer peanuts, you may attract monkeys.
Agreed.
Also let us not forget the crews are their best asset apart from the machinery. A happy pilot, will be a "safe" pilot and tend to look after the companies interest, more than a pilot who feels they are being treated as a slave.
Since the "accountants" have the big say there ain't much anyone can do about it in the short term and of course we are all feeling the effects, in these desperate times.
Offer peanuts, you may attract monkeys.
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IF I were running the company, weido_salt, I would use the stated amount as a starting salary, then increase (big time) on a merit basis, for those that show promise.
The rest may well not be worth having in the longer term.
It's called...providing the carrot.
The rest may well not be worth having in the longer term.
It's called...providing the carrot.
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hi
US -Business:...discussing the future of an European carrier while having again 6 Credit Cards in the Pocket,a loan on the house and mybe 3 leases on cars , to run the whole financial market inthe Ground ...
Sorry had no Breakfast... Cheers
Sorry had no Breakfast... Cheers
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By all accounts the feedback i've heard from clients of Vistajet is that the service has detiorated dramatically,half bottles of wine left on board etc. and lack of care to customer service,perhaps the change in salaries represents the crew apathy,very foolish,good luck to jet republic hopefully they will have more integrity
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luckily there arent too many yanks running businesses in Europe, but VistaJet management seems to be very influenced by them, at least when it comes to giving working conditions for it's employees....... good luck to the ones that have to go that way...........
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Knowing some of the protagonists, I would say the threatopener is spot on.
According to sources currently in the company, the morale amongst crews is very, very low.
They make the same mistake as so many others did: ignoring the needs of the most valuable asset in the company. Small money is one thing, but been denied to go home when promised and breaking the rules that are in the contact on a constant basis is way worse than 'just' small pay.
I really thought of Vista differently, considered applying there - but then, when you compare their approach to the on NetJets offers to their employees, then Iīd say the americans aren' t so bad sometimes!
According to sources currently in the company, the morale amongst crews is very, very low.
They make the same mistake as so many others did: ignoring the needs of the most valuable asset in the company. Small money is one thing, but been denied to go home when promised and breaking the rules that are in the contact on a constant basis is way worse than 'just' small pay.
I really thought of Vista differently, considered applying there - but then, when you compare their approach to the on NetJets offers to their employees, then Iīd say the americans aren' t so bad sometimes!
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hi
well today i had breakfast ...
Im still somehow mad who started that whole recession thing ....
But then again ....Dax today at 5500 points ..its going up ..and soon or later there will be again the normal Procedures in Companies.
Anyways...good luck to all of you...
Cheers
Im still somehow mad who started that whole recession thing ....
But then again ....Dax today at 5500 points ..its going up ..and soon or later there will be again the normal Procedures in Companies.
Anyways...good luck to all of you...
Cheers