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Flexjet Europe have 4xLear 31, 3xLear 60 and 1xCL601. Netjets fleet is much bigger, they're pouring loadzamoney into their operation and I suspect they'll be by far the largest fractional in Europe in the very near future!
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Well I think the final score in this relagation match is;=Netjets 75,Flexjet 58.A late come back but it looks the "soft drinks" have it.Sorry Flexjet ---you are the weekest link, "good Bye"
I've heard that the whole lot is on the way out---a lot sooner.Any clarification anyone?
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Yes, Netjets won the European battle - for now ... Bombardier is going back to their core business, buidling and selling aircraft - at least for Europe.
I dont think Flexjet US is affected.
"Within 6 months" means less than 6 months ... that explains the CVs !
I dont think Flexjet US is affected.
"Within 6 months" means less than 6 months ... that explains the CVs !
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I have a few friends at Flexjet USA and they are very concerned for their jobs right now - most have applications out with a number of defections to Netjets and Citationshares - and a few airline wannabes (waiting for market correction).
One who currently captains a Lear 60 hopes to get on with Avolar (new United sub) and fly a GIV for them... Another friend has been a Lear 60 FO for almost 2 years - upgrade time is very slow and morale is down as a result...
Flexjet's reputation in the US has dropped among both passengers (I have heard that directly) and its own pilots - morale has SUNK.... Netjets is still expanding and prospects have never looked better with new BBJs, Citation Soveriegns and maybe as many as 100 funky-looking Galaxys on the way.............
Cheers
One who currently captains a Lear 60 hopes to get on with Avolar (new United sub) and fly a GIV for them... Another friend has been a Lear 60 FO for almost 2 years - upgrade time is very slow and morale is down as a result...
Flexjet's reputation in the US has dropped among both passengers (I have heard that directly) and its own pilots - morale has SUNK.... Netjets is still expanding and prospects have never looked better with new BBJs, Citation Soveriegns and maybe as many as 100 funky-looking Galaxys on the way.............
Cheers
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I fear that its not only Flexjet that is suffering, maybe some of Bombardier's product line has also seen better days.
Whispers way back earlier this year suggested they were placing Lear 60's on P.B.T.H. agreements with certain operators to avoid them being parked for long periods.
Anyone wish to confirm / deny / shoot me down in flames???
Whispers way back earlier this year suggested they were placing Lear 60's on P.B.T.H. agreements with certain operators to avoid them being parked for long periods.
Anyone wish to confirm / deny / shoot me down in flames???
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L.O. - I heard you're right. What's up with that?? Thought Bombardier was going to back them for quite some time!?
On the other hand...
...I also heard today that they had people for interviews and sim-rides in London only three weeks ago!? This was for flying the Challenger 604 which I was also told today that they are going to "buy" two of???? Aircraft is, I was told, going to operate out of London and be pretty much self sustained (crew does it all I guess).
What is going on exactly? Anybody?
Will
On the other hand...
...I also heard today that they had people for interviews and sim-rides in London only three weeks ago!? This was for flying the Challenger 604 which I was also told today that they are going to "buy" two of???? Aircraft is, I was told, going to operate out of London and be pretty much self sustained (crew does it all I guess).
What is going on exactly? Anybody?
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FJE are not getting any 604s; the candidates from the sim rides are still out of a job and the London idea is dead.
The company is going to give up running it's own aircraft in the fractional programme. Some are down in december and the rest will be out by the end of april.
Lots of pilots will be hitting the market with their CVs very soon.
Shame it is all coming to such an untimely end!
The company is going to give up running it's own aircraft in the fractional programme. Some are down in december and the rest will be out by the end of april.
Lots of pilots will be hitting the market with their CVs very soon.
Shame it is all coming to such an untimely end!
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Friend of mine who works for Flexjet operations in CPH has told me that he received notice yesterday (28NOV01) that the company was going to suspend operations and all staff was put on notice. Now whether this also goes for Flexjet in London I have no idea, and for the same reason do not know whether they will close down completely in Europe.
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:o The word is that Fj ops is closing immediately with half the a/c up for sale.Crews are grounded effective immediately.The remaining 4 a/c will remain in ops until end April when they along with the remaining crews will grounded.As of end of April there will be no "Flexjet" in any form.Sales and marketing will continue for Bombardier in London. 
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Danishpilot and Lear35pilot,
Major sympathies extended to both of you. Reading your posts upset me considerably - obviously not a good time to be looking for pilot positions.
Fortunately, you both have experience on high-performance jets - and that should make you more marketable... Good luck with your searches and keep us updated on your progress - I'd like to know what positions you ultimately find. Stay strong and FOCUS on the long-term!
Cheers
Major sympathies extended to both of you. Reading your posts upset me considerably - obviously not a good time to be looking for pilot positions.
Fortunately, you both have experience on high-performance jets - and that should make you more marketable... Good luck with your searches and keep us updated on your progress - I'd like to know what positions you ultimately find. Stay strong and FOCUS on the long-term!
Cheers
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At the beginning of the thread, I said that I thought the CL601 was going back to the States. I have to admit that closing FJE completely wasn't something I had though would happen.
I am really sorry for everyone out there who has now joined the job hunting list. I hope you get something soon - the bizjet market is steady, there are a few vacancies out there occasionally, so I hope some of you will be back flying soon.
Although I said that I wasn't too fussed about more work for the fractionals (insofar as it would come from my, the charter, side of the business) but I am saddened that NetJets becomes, effectively, a monopoly. Although I can't see it leading to a massive price increase, it doesn't help the people who are set on buying a fractional share.
What this does make me wonder, on top of all the other redundancies throughout the industry, is if the market would have collapsed of its own volition, without the US tragedies, eventually? It seems that there was such spare capacity out in the market that it was no wonder that BA, VS etc were so eager to cut back on their services so quickly. Difficult one, I think it's almost worthy of its own topic.
Good luck to all the FJE staff in finding something soon.
I am really sorry for everyone out there who has now joined the job hunting list. I hope you get something soon - the bizjet market is steady, there are a few vacancies out there occasionally, so I hope some of you will be back flying soon.
Although I said that I wasn't too fussed about more work for the fractionals (insofar as it would come from my, the charter, side of the business) but I am saddened that NetJets becomes, effectively, a monopoly. Although I can't see it leading to a massive price increase, it doesn't help the people who are set on buying a fractional share.
What this does make me wonder, on top of all the other redundancies throughout the industry, is if the market would have collapsed of its own volition, without the US tragedies, eventually? It seems that there was such spare capacity out in the market that it was no wonder that BA, VS etc were so eager to cut back on their services so quickly. Difficult one, I think it's almost worthy of its own topic.
Good luck to all the FJE staff in finding something soon.
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Daifly,
Good point...........
I would love to know the exact state of the market prior to Sept.11. It does seem that there was huge over capacity and those terrible events provided a catalyst to thin out the industry.
I'm surprised that NJE are now the only player in Europe - my company looked at a share to cover some additional requirements but found it too expensive and far too inflexible. We've had to carry on with our existing kit.
To those laid off by Flexjet - big sympathy, in this business its happened to me twice, hang in there things can only improve.
Good point...........
I would love to know the exact state of the market prior to Sept.11. It does seem that there was huge over capacity and those terrible events provided a catalyst to thin out the industry.
I'm surprised that NJE are now the only player in Europe - my company looked at a share to cover some additional requirements but found it too expensive and far too inflexible. We've had to carry on with our existing kit.
To those laid off by Flexjet - big sympathy, in this business its happened to me twice, hang in there things can only improve.
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My "information" says that FJE will still be selling fractional shares and "block" charter to be flown by partner "airlines"/companies (I guess other operators using Bombardier products!?)
A belive they will be "operating" out of London.
If this is true then I guess Netjets won't get the entire market for themself...
Any comments? Is this the case?
Ya'll be safe and good luck to ya'!
Will
A belive they will be "operating" out of London.
If this is true then I guess Netjets won't get the entire market for themself...
Any comments? Is this the case?
Ya'll be safe and good luck to ya'!
Will