Looking for a long-range a/c
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Looking for a long-range a/c
Hey Guys ...
May be you can give me a word of advise.
My boss is looking to buy a bird that can make Riyadh to Boston (non-stop)
with at least 8 pax. Now we operate a 900 but the stoping in London all the time is getting to him. We will be doing this leg once a month, so a confortable bird (For pax and CREW) will be the requirement ...
Looking in to GLX, G-550 and Some of the Boeings.
For comfort I have suggested the 757 .. any coments or ideas are very welcome ..
Keep it safe
Pilocol
May be you can give me a word of advise.
My boss is looking to buy a bird that can make Riyadh to Boston (non-stop)
with at least 8 pax. Now we operate a 900 but the stoping in London all the time is getting to him. We will be doing this leg once a month, so a confortable bird (For pax and CREW) will be the requirement ...Looking in to GLX, G-550 and Some of the Boeings.
For comfort I have suggested the 757 .. any coments or ideas are very welcome ..
Keep it safe
Pilocol
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BBJ ???
Will tell the boss about it .
. and keep my hopes high ...
Thanks ... and if anybody has a contact ... I will be greatfull ..
. and keep my hopes high ... Thanks ... and if anybody has a contact ... I will be greatfull ..
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ACJ?
Witch one?? ...319?? Remember we need a lot of room ... bags and maids and kids and ...well you know ... plus rest area for the Bus drivers ... will it make it??
I just don't want to go to the head man 2 years from now and have to tell him "Sorry no more than 5 pax and 5 medium bags"
Then there is the 50
degrees in Summer out of the Sand Pit ... to go that Long???
Hey Mutt, no problemo ... just found out myself it is not an ER...
Still looking ... see you around ...
Keep it safe ...
I just don't want to go to the head man 2 years from now and have to tell him "Sorry no more than 5 pax and 5 medium bags"
Then there is the 50
degrees in Summer out of the Sand Pit ... to go that Long???Hey Mutt, no problemo ... just found out myself it is not an ER...
Still looking ... see you around ...
Keep it safe ...
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AVPRO is offering one of GE's BBJs for sale.
The one featured has 17 seats, 6 tanks, with provision for a seventh, so it may match your requirements (with 5 tanks you have a range of 5'500NM).
http://www.avprojets.com/detail.php?planeID=92
The one featured has 17 seats, 6 tanks, with provision for a seventh, so it may match your requirements (with 5 tanks you have a range of 5'500NM).
http://www.avprojets.com/detail.php?planeID=92
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Gulfstream G550 (Gulfstream V)
Range 6,750 miles
passengers 14-18
Speed: Mach 0.88
List Price $46 million
Boeing Business Jet (based on Boeing 737)
Range 6,800 miles
passengers 25 (up to 50 depending on seat configuration)
Speed: Mach 0.82
List Price $48 million
Airbus A319CJ (Airbus A319 with extra fuel tanks)
Range 6,500 miles
passengers 25
Speed: Mach 0.85
List Price $45 million
Bombardier Global Express XRS
Range 6,150 miles
passengers 19 max
Speed: Mach 0.89
List Price $46 million
Alternatively it is possible to buy an even larger plane such as a used Boeing 767 which can be re-fitted to your precise specification. In fact, in 2007 Boeing will replace the 737 based BBJ by the Boeing 767-300ER, which will have 50 flat seats as standard.
Range 6,750 miles
passengers 14-18
Speed: Mach 0.88
List Price $46 million
Boeing Business Jet (based on Boeing 737)
Range 6,800 miles
passengers 25 (up to 50 depending on seat configuration)
Speed: Mach 0.82
List Price $48 million
Airbus A319CJ (Airbus A319 with extra fuel tanks)
Range 6,500 miles
passengers 25
Speed: Mach 0.85
List Price $45 million
Bombardier Global Express XRS
Range 6,150 miles
passengers 19 max
Speed: Mach 0.89
List Price $46 million
Alternatively it is possible to buy an even larger plane such as a used Boeing 767 which can be re-fitted to your precise specification. In fact, in 2007 Boeing will replace the 737 based BBJ by the Boeing 767-300ER, which will have 50 flat seats as standard.
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Pilocol,
If you operate out of RUH now, you should talk to some of the operators with the various aircraft there.
A BBJ with even 9 tanks will not make that distance against the winds with that kind of payload.......
If you operate out of RUH now, you should talk to some of the operators with the various aircraft there.
A BBJ with even 9 tanks will not make that distance against the winds with that kind of payload.......
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Thanks
Hey Guys thank for all the comments...
bogeydope . thaks, I have done that and most of the operators say the same as all of you... I even think that the 73-700 will not make it with the amount of people and bags that we need.
g4phil. Good group of planes, 2 days ago I was in the back of the plane talking to the boss about all of them ... specially the Global ... he likes that one ... and I do too.
Thanks for the link (flexjet) will look in to it.
Still think that for that kinda trip will go 75 or 76 ... lots of room and operation is not that much higher that a 73 ... remember we will do long, long legs ... at least most of the time...
Thanks again ... and ... I will keep looking and listening to all of you..
Pilocol
bogeydope . thaks, I have done that and most of the operators say the same as all of you... I even think that the 73-700 will not make it with the amount of people and bags that we need.
g4phil. Good group of planes, 2 days ago I was in the back of the plane talking to the boss about all of them ... specially the Global ... he likes that one ... and I do too.
Thanks for the link (flexjet) will look in to it.
Still think that for that kinda trip will go 75 or 76 ... lots of room and operation is not that much higher that a 73 ... remember we will do long, long legs ... at least most of the time...
Thanks again ... and ... I will keep looking and listening to all of you..
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A 762 will be your best aircraft I think. Put some aux tanks in it and you can go non-stop RUH-LAX......
Don't agree with your operating cost assesment of a BBJ vs 76, but for the difference in purchase price you can buy a lot of gas and parts....
Both are good aircraft and fun to fly!!
Don't agree with your operating cost assesment of a BBJ vs 76, but for the difference in purchase price you can buy a lot of gas and parts....
Both are good aircraft and fun to fly!!
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Regardless of what the website says, i believe that aircraft was sold in March.
Pilocol.
There is a VVIP 747SP for sale @ $20m.... Alternatively, the Oger B777 @ $120.
Mutt
Regardless of what the website says, i believe that aircraft was sold in March.
Pilocol.
There is a VVIP 747SP for sale @ $20m.... Alternatively, the Oger B777 @ $120.
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Suggest you give the guys over at ARAMCO Flt Dept a bell, they've being doing the DHA/HOU route for a very long time. They have obviously done all the eval work, no need to do it all again. Good luck.
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Just a thought but would an A320 with extra fuel tanks do it. I gather Cyprus Airways has one for sale. Its probably a high cycle machine but you could probably customise the layout and interior to your spec and have it NOW.
Im not really a long haul fan but if i were to do it i think i would prefer to NOT have a bl**dy great yoke sitting in front of me for all that time.
As an aside do you currently go to any airports where ex-airliners are too big? i guess that could have some bearing on any decision making.
GW
Im not really a long haul fan but if i were to do it i think i would prefer to NOT have a bl**dy great yoke sitting in front of me for all that time.
As an aside do you currently go to any airports where ex-airliners are too big? i guess that could have some bearing on any decision making.
GW
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Well lots of input ... Nice.
Thank you all for the words of advise.
Global Warrior ... great idea not having a big yoke infront of you all the time ...I will give this idea a thought ...
We operate big airports all the time ... to be honest with you guys, the shortest field we went to was Siegerland, but only because we did not get a place in FRA cause of the World Cup, and this is not going to appen again.
The shortest field that we operate in LUT (EGGW) .. and 75's and 76's operate there all the time, so anything else will do.
Talked to the boss again and he is on the idea of a big bird no matter the time as long as is well kept ... now .. the question will be Boeing or Airbus ..
Oh God I just started a big mess
Keep it safe.
Pilocol
Thank you all for the words of advise.
Global Warrior ... great idea not having a big yoke infront of you all the time ...I will give this idea a thought ...
We operate big airports all the time ... to be honest with you guys, the shortest field we went to was Siegerland, but only because we did not get a place in FRA cause of the World Cup, and this is not going to appen again.
The shortest field that we operate in LUT (EGGW) .. and 75's and 76's operate there all the time, so anything else will do.
Talked to the boss again and he is on the idea of a big bird no matter the time as long as is well kept ... now .. the question will be Boeing or Airbus ..
Oh God I just started a big mess
Keep it safe.
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The next question is do you want it now or in 2008/09?
There is a severe lack of mod shop availability, so even if you get a passenger Boeing, it will take over a year to modify it.
The only VIP A340 that was available has just become HZ-HMS.
The 767 VP-CME is back on the market but it would need additional tanks installed to satisfy your requirement.
The Oger 777 is still advertised on the net for sale.
Enjoy yourself
Mutt
There is a severe lack of mod shop availability, so even if you get a passenger Boeing, it will take over a year to modify it.
The only VIP A340 that was available has just become HZ-HMS.
The 767 VP-CME is back on the market but it would need additional tanks installed to satisfy your requirement.
The Oger 777 is still advertised on the net for sale.
Enjoy yourself
Mutt
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Well boss already knows about the time for the refurb, so I will let him kow about the ones available now and we'll see ... hope for the best ...Wooo 777
Thanks Mutt .. good info .
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Thanks Mutt .. good info .
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Did these during a quiet moment on a super duper planning tool. These used historical weather records for July and calculated to give the max available payload (AV PLD) for this distance and these weather conditions
G550 OERK-KBOS (M80)
FUEL TIME DIST ARRIVE TAKEOFF LAND AV PLD OPNLWT
POA KBOS 034449 12/33 5648 1233Z 091000 056551 005310 048000
ALT KPSM 000459 00/09 0044 1243Z
HLD 001060 00/30
RES 001722 00/49
XTR 000000 00/00
TXI 000000
TOT 037690 14/02
GLEX OERK-KBOS (M80)
FUEL TIME DIST ARRIVE TAKEOFF LAND AV PLD OPNLWT
POA KBOS 039656 12/30 5648 1230Z 098000 058344 005980 048600
ALT KPSM 000531 00/09 0044 1239Z
HLD 001250 00/30
RES 001983 00/48
XTR 000000 00/00
TXI 000000
TOT 043420 13/57
Neither the BBJ or A3CJ are making it with the standard fuel capacitys of
72200 & 42000 Lbs respectivley
G550 OERK-KBOS (M80)
FUEL TIME DIST ARRIVE TAKEOFF LAND AV PLD OPNLWT
POA KBOS 034449 12/33 5648 1233Z 091000 056551 005310 048000
ALT KPSM 000459 00/09 0044 1243Z
HLD 001060 00/30
RES 001722 00/49
XTR 000000 00/00
TXI 000000
TOT 037690 14/02
GLEX OERK-KBOS (M80)
FUEL TIME DIST ARRIVE TAKEOFF LAND AV PLD OPNLWT
POA KBOS 039656 12/30 5648 1230Z 098000 058344 005980 048600
ALT KPSM 000531 00/09 0044 1239Z
HLD 001250 00/30
RES 001983 00/48
XTR 000000 00/00
TXI 000000
TOT 043420 13/57
Neither the BBJ or A3CJ are making it with the standard fuel capacitys of
72200 & 42000 Lbs respectivley
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