Looking for a long-range a/c

[EMB170]

Pilocol,

We have done some research including , G550,GLEX,BBJ,ACJ .
You say you always carry a lot of luggage, so in my opinion you can forget
G550,GLEX and BBJ1(got the bigger range but smaller than BBJ2). BBJ1 uses most of it's cargo area for additional fuel tanks.

regards

EMB170

[Pilocol]

L.R. Bird

Hi EMB170.
Found out the hard way.
Have been bombarded with info about all those planes for the past 3 weeks, and came to the same conclusion.
Definetly looking for a 75 or a 76 both of them ER... will see what we can get, mean while I think it will be best to stop in the midle and change crew, OERK-KBOS is a little too long for two guys only ...

Thanks for the info..

Keep it safe

Pilocol

[TWIN BOY]

Why do you want to stop to change crew?

Carry a "heavy crew" and just change seats!

You could fly non stop around the world in a A345 or 346 with your payload. Airbus are falling over themselves to give them away.

[chornedsnorkack]

You could fly non stop around the world in a A345 or 346 with your payload.

You could not. The ranges are still under 20 000 km.

Does the wingspan category matter?

757-200 is popular for VIP conversions, with long range - including VC-32. 767-200ER with extra fuel tanks is a logical choice for a small widebody. And for a long-range small widebody only recently out of production, do not forget A310, either.

747SP, 777, A330 and A340 are in the 60 m wingspan category. Which may matter.

And with the range of A310 or B767-200ER, you may not need 7 pilots as the Worldliner record flight carried... 3 or 4 pilots means 1 or 2 in crew rest at any time.

[TWIN BOY]

Tonque in cheek...or...figure of speach chornedsnorkack vbmenu_register("postmenu_3276244", true);

Mind you, I regularly fly 14+ trips on a 345 with full payload and that feels like a bloody long way.

With a lighter load it will go for 18hours. Is that long enough for you ?

[Harburn]

I would suggest the G550 rather than the Global Express, which I hear is not very reliable.

[anthonyjohnson]

sp

VIP 747-SP avail in the UAE for sale great condition

[chornedsnorkack]

Mind you, I regularly fly 14+ trips on a 345 with full payload and that feels like a bloody long way.

With a lighter load it will go for 18hours. Is that long enough for you ?

For what purpose? Certainly, few customers need more... One thing which people are trying hard to do, and cannot, is find a plane capable of flying from Sydney to London, reliably, with a commercial payload.

What is the endurance of 4 pilots? And how many are needed for longer flights - 5? 6?

[Pilocol]

The Long range story.

Well I guess the wing span really matters, but ... we can always go to other airports ... anyway we always go to big ones ..

I'm leaning in to telling him to go for a slightly smaller one and just stop in the middle and change the crew, it really sounds better than just keep going forever. A regular 75 will do the job just fine and it will make him look good too. (It's all about looking good)

I just talked to him about the 777 that is for sale and he said he knows the guys and they are asking too much for it ...
The 340 that I saw is great, and will take about 1 year to be done .. so .. time to talk to the boss again.

Lets see how this will end, he still is pushing for the BBJ knowing it will not make it ...

Appreciate all the coments and PM's ... I try to answer them all ... but still have to fly most of the time ... forgive me if I take longer than normal ..

Thanks to all of you for the info, now I have a more clear picture of this Long Haul stuff.

Keep it safe ..

Pilocol

[mutt]

Lets see how this will end, he still is pushing for the BBJ knowing it will not make it ...

Are you sure it wont make it? The problem really is how luggage does to want to carry?

Mutt

[chornedsnorkack]

Well I guess the wing span really matters, but ... we can always go to other airports ... anyway we always go to big ones ..

Turns out it is connected to weight as well.

A330, B777-200 and others have MTOW of 230+ tons. A310 and B767 are in 164...179 ton range.

Which may affect trip costs, airport charges etc. etc.

I'm leaning in to telling him to go for a slightly smaller one and just stop in the middle and change the crew, it really sounds better than just keep going forever. A regular 75 will do the job just fine and it will make him look good too. (It's all about looking good)

A regular 757-200 has nominal range of 7200 km - with commercial payload and without extra tanks. Which means slightly over 8 hours endurance. You still have to carry extra crew and have crew rest - and in 757-200, hopefully there is space for it.

And in 767-200ER, too.

[Pilocol]

Wing span and weight

You are right chornedsnorkack, did not think about it ... better to go for a lighter one ..good point....
About the 757-200 I think we will go for it, and just send second crew to mid point 2 days in advance and change there, will do the same on the way back..instead of carrying duble crew onboard all the time ...

About the BBJ, still I'm not sure if we can actualy carry more than a cuple of little bags. The guy at Boing is working on it ... and at the end it will be much cheaper to get a used 75 and more room ... I will keep you guys informed on the result depending on todays meeting ... wish me luck.

Keep it safe

Pilocol

[chornedsnorkack]

About the 757-200 I think we will go for it, and just send second crew to mid point 2 days in advance and change there, will do the same on the way back..instead of carrying duble crew onboard all the time ...

About the BBJ, still I'm not sure if we can actualy carry more than a cuple of little bags. The guy at Boing is working on it ... and at the end it will be much cheaper to get a used 75 and more room

From
http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...-aviation.html

"The first available slot for either the BBJ, BBJ2 or BBJ3 is 2011." Hill says Boeing is continuing to look at the BBJC, which has a side cargo door, following strong interest from governments. But launch of the 737-600, a direct competitor to the Airbus A318 Elite, is unlikely for the time being, he says, due to the lack of production slots. "We are having to turn away sales," says Hill.

Nearly half the aircraft sold by Boeing last year were widebodies, including the 747-8 and 787-8/9, mainly to customers seeking to upgrade ageing 747s. "We have seven orders for the 787-8/9 and have sold out until 2014.

So... no new build slots for BBJ.

If used 757 has sufficient range and room, it does everything that BBJ could, and more.

Just how specific are the requirements for a crew rest, anyway?

Compare what can be done on a 707-330:
http://www.humesmccoyaviation.com/pa...707_18928.html
counting up to fourth bedroom. If you have children and nannies... can a crew rest be given to passengers when not needed?

[mutt]

So... no new build slots for BBJ.

This is certainly reflected in the 2nd hand market prices, similiar aircraft now cost $5m more than at the start of the year!

Mutt

[anthonyjohnson]

16G

Hi Guys

One bit point to remember that due to the age of the 757 it does not need to meet the very restrictive 16g seat requirements so you cabin can be much lighter i.e. better range and much softer more comfortable seats as week -food for thought

Tony

[Gulfstreamaviator]

G550_Opslacky

The fuel capacity of the G550, is 40500Lbs, with a variance of down to 39500, which I would use for LR planning.

There is the next problem, of payload: assume that with full fuel, and a slightly higher BOW then 4 pax is max.

Also baggage space, volume is limited. Tried to take 6 pax, and 26 peices from Luton, to UAE: had to refuse 14 pieces.

Whilst I love the G550, it does not have the volume for this trip.

Shame: gsa

[mutt]

I was doing a Google seach for some photos of our 340 when this thread showed up.....

Now im curious, Pilocol, did your boss end up buying anything?

Mutt