CRJ crash in Moscow
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This smells awfully like the Birmingham BHX Challenger crash about 3 years ago ... even the photos of the upsidedown fuselage with gear sticking up look disturbingly similar.
Lets hope that someone has not made the same mistake all over again ...
Lets hope that someone has not made the same mistake all over again ...
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Once again there are people on this thread who are sounding off beofre getting the facts. People who are 'probationary ppruners' should keep their mouths shut and their personal opinions to themselves. Let's let the investigators do their job and most of all, let's hope the personnel on board fully recover from this crash.
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If you have something to say about a company or aircraft type, posting your comments on a crash report do not fit. Find the proper spot.
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I was going to vnukovo when we diverted due to the crash all i can said is that the weather was Dantesque the worse seen in moscow since 10 years a snow storm who even paralized the town, it took us 5 hours to get a car from domododevo et go to hotel...the crew name was release in a press the next day...
pic US citizen FO and mecanic Russian the aircraft was quote to fly for TAG positioning to Berlin which was categoricaly denied by Tag europe.
pic US citizen FO and mecanic Russian the aircraft was quote to fly for TAG positioning to Berlin which was categoricaly denied by Tag europe.
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Does anybody know where the crew are?.. hopefully the russians wont "detain" them like the friendly brazilians did.
Why the ACASS comment?? you would think this weather was part and parcel for canadian pilots to operate in, so shouldnt be a problem.
Why the ACASS comment?? you would think this weather was part and parcel for canadian pilots to operate in, so shouldnt be a problem.
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Uuww 131300z 13005mps 1200 R06/1200u Ssn Vv004 M06/m08 Q1009 Tempo 0700 +shsn Rmk 06511040 Qbb120=
Uuww 131330z 13005mps 1000 R06/1000n shsn Vv003 m06/m07 Q1009 Tempo 0700 +shsn rmk 06511040 Qbb100=
Uuww 131400z 13004mps 0800 R06/0650v1000u +shsn Vv003 M06/m07 Q1008 Tempo 0700 +shsn Rmk 06522037 Qbb100=
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Uuww 131330z 13005mps 1000 R06/1000n shsn Vv003 m06/m07 Q1009 Tempo 0700 +shsn rmk 06511040 Qbb100=
Uuww 131400z 13004mps 0800 R06/0650v1000u +shsn Vv003 M06/m07 Q1008 Tempo 0700 +shsn Rmk 06522037 Qbb100=
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**quote from latte tester**
Once again there are people on this thread who are sounding off beofre getting the facts. People who are 'probationary ppruners' should keep their mouths shut and their personal opinions to themselves. Let's let the investigators do their job and most of all, let's hope the personnel on board fully recover from this crash.
If you have something to say about a company or aircraft type, posting your comments on a crash report do not fit. Find the proper spot.
Just go back to the top of your screen and read what this website is called!
Once again there are people on this thread who are sounding off beofre getting the facts. People who are 'probationary ppruners' should keep their mouths shut and their personal opinions to themselves. Let's let the investigators do their job and most of all, let's hope the personnel on board fully recover from this crash.
If you have something to say about a company or aircraft type, posting your comments on a crash report do not fit. Find the proper spot.
Just go back to the top of your screen and read what this website is called!
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CRJ Crash
Well well well!looks like this accident has brought back the usual whitewashers!! seems to happen everytime there is a less than glowing post about a certain company,people with claiming to have no knowlege of anything appear and try to silence, usually by telling people to "keep their mouths shut" i was there, you were not.i have been living and flying out of moscow since 1999, you have not....and the facts about this crash will come out no matter how much you threaten or belittle people in this forum.lets start with the aircraft.....they were on a tech flight to belin because the aircraft had no NWS, yes, you read right the Nose Wheel Steering was u/s. the met reports are posted above and are accurate. crosswind and snowstorm. the pilot elected to not complete the flight under the circumstances, but... for reasons that will come out in the investigation, changed his mind.this aircraft is part 91, kinda strange they have been operating part 135...the pilots were NOT canadian, they are an american and a russian copilot. both crew are here in hospital, and their condition is not good. i wish them all the best. this is not a place for a more thourough disscusion, but it will all come out in time. ..the facts will all come out in this crash, Is my mouth shut enough for you now? Or should i shut it some more?
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Russian television news were showing graphic of starboard engine fire/explosion at take off, causing aircraft to preferentially lift on port side, starboard wing hitting the ground and snapping off before aircraft lands upside down. Disclaimer: I am SLF, Russian is my second language and therefore have to concentrate hard to get translation correct, this is a television news report with all that implies about journalism, and it is Russia, so make of all this what you will.
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More Pictures here
http://hectop.livejournal.com/375046.html#cutid1
http://hectop.livejournal.com/375046.html#cutid1
From latte tester:
I would be interested to know how you would get beyond the "probationary" status without posting your opinions.
Your comment also suggests that you believe that probabtionary ppruners have nothing useful to say, and no useful knowledge of the aviation industry. How do you work that out? It just means they're new to the website.
People who are 'probationary ppruners' should keep their mouths shut and their personal opinions to themselves
Your comment also suggests that you believe that probabtionary ppruners have nothing useful to say, and no useful knowledge of the aviation industry. How do you work that out? It just means they're new to the website.
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Vnukovo has a major weakness in its deicing procedures;corporate a/c are deiced/anti-iced at Vnukovo 3 .This ramp is ten to fifteen minutes taxiing to the normal active rwy 24,holdover times can easily be exceeded.There is no procedure at the moment to get de-iced near the threshold to Rwy 24.Hopefully this will change as a result of the accident.There are no holdover times in heavy snow,an external inspection should be carried out pror to t/o.I suspect that airframe icing was a contributory factor in this crash.
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So the facts appear to be, approx 10kts crosswind, low visibility, heavy snow, and no nose wheel steering. I haven't decoded the rwy state, but having been there very recently I would guess that at best it had numerous snow patches on it.
It would be interesting to know what advice they were given about a t/o with no nose wheel steering, especially in those conditions. At least a 06 t/o is only a short tow from the de-icing at Vnukovu 3, assuming that is where they were parked.
Hope they all make a full recovery, and big hand to the Russian fire service for getting them all out okay.
It would be interesting to know what advice they were given about a t/o with no nose wheel steering, especially in those conditions. At least a 06 t/o is only a short tow from the de-icing at Vnukovu 3, assuming that is where they were parked.
Hope they all make a full recovery, and big hand to the Russian fire service for getting them all out okay.
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TC MMEL for a 604...
This is off 604...so may not apply for a CRJ100
Nosewheel steering:
(M) May be inoperative provided:
a) Nosewheel steering system is
selected off,
b) Nose landing gear solenoid selector
valve is not failed open,
c) Nosewheel is confirmed to be in a
free-castoring mode,
d) Crosswind limit is 20 kts for take-off
and landing,
e) Take-off and accelerate-stop
distances are increased by 2 %,
f) Accelerate-stop distance available
and runway length available are
reduced by 2 % when determining
the AFM fields length limited take-off
weight and V1 speed, and
g) Take-off or landing is not conducted
on a contaminated runway.
Nosewheel steering:
(M) May be inoperative provided:
a) Nosewheel steering system is
selected off,
b) Nose landing gear solenoid selector
valve is not failed open,
c) Nosewheel is confirmed to be in a
free-castoring mode,
d) Crosswind limit is 20 kts for take-off
and landing,
e) Take-off and accelerate-stop
distances are increased by 2 %,
f) Accelerate-stop distance available
and runway length available are
reduced by 2 % when determining
the AFM fields length limited take-off
weight and V1 speed, and
g) Take-off or landing is not conducted
on a contaminated runway.