NetJets Europe- the "get fired without cause" myth
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Go to NJE homepage http://www.netjetseurope.com/home.html?lang=eng then click contact us followed by career.
The email address is given for various departments including for Cabin Crew recruitment.
The email address is given for various departments including for Cabin Crew recruitment.
Thanks a lot AMEX, but I have another question: is it hard to get a job with them???
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You are so high in the seniority list ? So we have a good chance to fly together then !! question mark is who will be the commander then , if you made it through.....
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Info on Netjets please
I am trying to get as much information as possible on Netjets. Anybody out there currently with them, preferably using Barcelona as a base, please pm me. Thank You.
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The roster is mid-Month for the next Month. You are contracted to work 18 days, usually a combination of 6/4 and 6/5. Days not rostered are hard days off.
Standby at NJE is standby on tour or sometimes standby at home at the beginning of a tour. These count towards the 18 days work.
First year FO Eu 42.500 (45.000 as of 1/1/07).
First year Capt Eu 72.500 (75.000 as of 1/1/07).
From then on it's 2% per year (expected to change in the foreseeable future).
There is a savings plan to which the company contributes if you're on the Isle of Man contract and other plans for those from Portugal and the UK.
Great colleagues, great variety, decent roster.
Also check http://www.pilotjobsnetwork.com/fact...ecpay9bbhmp76w
If you like the current package, you'll like it even more in the future. All sorts of plans cooking to improve in order to get the numbers of newhires. I believe another 150+ required next year and increasing competition from airlines that are hiring.
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Standby at NJE is standby on tour or sometimes standby at home at the beginning of a tour. These count towards the 18 days work.
First year FO Eu 42.500 (45.000 as of 1/1/07).
First year Capt Eu 72.500 (75.000 as of 1/1/07).
From then on it's 2% per year (expected to change in the foreseeable future).
There is a savings plan to which the company contributes if you're on the Isle of Man contract and other plans for those from Portugal and the UK.
Great colleagues, great variety, decent roster.
Also check http://www.pilotjobsnetwork.com/fact...ecpay9bbhmp76w
If you like the current package, you'll like it even more in the future. All sorts of plans cooking to improve in order to get the numbers of newhires. I believe another 150+ required next year and increasing competition from airlines that are hiring.
Erik.
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But be aware- the 600 plus NetJets Europe pilots have no representation. Now take that into consideration when thinking about your T&C's, management will change T&C's as they like.
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They have got nowhere. Management in Lisbon have refused point blank to even talk to Portuguese union representatives.
In the last few days union representatives from the US have come forward in the NJE crew forum but things have a long, long way to go. You can be certain NJE management will resist with everything they have.
NJE is not a happy company. The 'improvements' referred to by Erik are just a wish list at the moment with no promises from the company.
Be extremely careful.
In the last few days union representatives from the US have come forward in the NJE crew forum but things have a long, long way to go. You can be certain NJE management will resist with everything they have.
NJE is not a happy company. The 'improvements' referred to by Erik are just a wish list at the moment with no promises from the company.
Be extremely careful.
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There are no representation talks at the moment. There is some dialogue as part of another project and we have been interviewed recently on behalf of our new HR manager, that's it.
I guess there are two sorts of NJE pilots:
a. senior ones who are still unhappy that their 6-5 contract was changed to 18 days a few years ago. They seem to think that it will never change.
b. those who joined on the 18-day contract and are willing to give management the benefit of the doubt. Most of these are fairly positive and take signals about a better contract, progressive payscale etc serious.
Fact is that there will have to be improvements to get and retain experienced pilots. This is so obvious that I feel it is safe to give management the benefit of the doubt. That's also why I've said that if you like the current package, you'll probably like it better in the future.
Erik.
I guess there are two sorts of NJE pilots:
a. senior ones who are still unhappy that their 6-5 contract was changed to 18 days a few years ago. They seem to think that it will never change.
b. those who joined on the 18-day contract and are willing to give management the benefit of the doubt. Most of these are fairly positive and take signals about a better contract, progressive payscale etc serious.
Fact is that there will have to be improvements to get and retain experienced pilots. This is so obvious that I feel it is safe to give management the benefit of the doubt. That's also why I've said that if you like the current package, you'll probably like it better in the future.
Erik.
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by erik V:
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I guess there are two sorts of NJE pilots:
a. senior ones who are still unhappy that their 6-5 contract was changed to 18 days a few years ago. They seem to think that it will never change.
b. those who joined on the 18-day contract and are willing to give management the benefit of the doubt. Most of these are fairly positive and take signals about a better contract, progressive payscale etc serious."
Keep sticking your finger in the dike Erik! Do as if nothing happens! keep flying with unairworthy aircraft!pretend as if you are not tired and that you are not forced to work outside legal work and rest reg.! Pretend you are happy!Do always what your fleetmanagers says, pretend he is always right! pretend FF and CR are great guys, wanting the best for you.pretend netjets is your future!
But ......Don't decide for us. There are not many left of the first group you mentioned , most of them have left, ....on time, before the scam becomes clear to the public and press and tax departments.So the ones that complain are in your beloved group no 2.....
You remember the story about the old and the bold pilots? You won't see old pilots with Netjets, they were wise enough to leave..
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I guess there are two sorts of NJE pilots:
a. senior ones who are still unhappy that their 6-5 contract was changed to 18 days a few years ago. They seem to think that it will never change.
b. those who joined on the 18-day contract and are willing to give management the benefit of the doubt. Most of these are fairly positive and take signals about a better contract, progressive payscale etc serious."
Keep sticking your finger in the dike Erik! Do as if nothing happens! keep flying with unairworthy aircraft!pretend as if you are not tired and that you are not forced to work outside legal work and rest reg.! Pretend you are happy!Do always what your fleetmanagers says, pretend he is always right! pretend FF and CR are great guys, wanting the best for you.pretend netjets is your future!
But ......Don't decide for us. There are not many left of the first group you mentioned , most of them have left, ....on time, before the scam becomes clear to the public and press and tax departments.So the ones that complain are in your beloved group no 2.....
You remember the story about the old and the bold pilots? You won't see old pilots with Netjets, they were wise enough to leave..
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Oh Erik V. I forgot to add :
Pretend as if nobody gets fired...
You remember the b...sh..t they tell you in your indoc that nobody leaves Netjets....think again.
and: safety safety safety right? So safe to fly with them......!! great safety culture....! everybody speaks up, nobody gets punished or demoted right?
And you train with the best they say, flightsafety. That's why every airline trains with flightsafety right?
I am not here to laugh at you Erik, because I was once like you and I know where you are coming from, but only time will make you see things differently, and perhaps I can help people not make the mistake that I did which was joining them..
Pretend as if nobody gets fired...
You remember the b...sh..t they tell you in your indoc that nobody leaves Netjets....think again.
and: safety safety safety right? So safe to fly with them......!! great safety culture....! everybody speaks up, nobody gets punished or demoted right?
And you train with the best they say, flightsafety. That's why every airline trains with flightsafety right?
I am not here to laugh at you Erik, because I was once like you and I know where you are coming from, but only time will make you see things differently, and perhaps I can help people not make the mistake that I did which was joining them..
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Join Ipa!
I can only advise all fellow pilots at NJE to JOIN I-P-A !!!!!
We need to get ONE voice before we start direct negotiations!
OPEN YOUR EYES new joiners!
It is not as green as you think!
Get united, get one voice, get the pressure on LIS...
We need to get ONE voice before we start direct negotiations!
OPEN YOUR EYES new joiners!
It is not as green as you think!Get united, get one voice, get the pressure on LIS...
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Guys, read my posts.
I'm saying there is no progression in our payscale, that we have no representation, that it's not perfect. However, things seem to be improving and I'm giving it the benefit of the doubt.
I would be similarly unhappy if I'd been sent an amended contract like those who were on 6-5 and had to accept 18 days. However, that happened some time ago. I doubt that will happen again, because the company just can't afford it.
Just trying to offset some purely negative posts with what I believe is a balanced view.
Erik.
I'm saying there is no progression in our payscale, that we have no representation, that it's not perfect. However, things seem to be improving and I'm giving it the benefit of the doubt.
I would be similarly unhappy if I'd been sent an amended contract like those who were on 6-5 and had to accept 18 days. However, that happened some time ago. I doubt that will happen again, because the company just can't afford it.
Just trying to offset some purely negative posts with what I believe is a balanced view.
Erik.
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NetJets Europe is a great company to work for.
Management is conducting a survey. Great, they are doing something.
In the 1930's they looked at how environmental factors affect productivity- turn down the heating, dim the lights...guess what happened- PRODUCTIVITY increased.
In psychology this is described as OBSERVATIONAL REACTIVITY-somebody is watching you, somebody cares...yes things must be getting better, lets get to work.
NJE Pilots- be aware!
Soon NJE will have 800 Pilots- and still no representation. Think about your T&C's - or management will be doing the thinking for you...
NetJets Europe is a great employer.
Management is conducting a survey. Great, they are doing something.
In the 1930's they looked at how environmental factors affect productivity- turn down the heating, dim the lights...guess what happened- PRODUCTIVITY increased.
In psychology this is described as OBSERVATIONAL REACTIVITY-somebody is watching you, somebody cares...yes things must be getting better, lets get to work.
NJE Pilots- be aware!
Soon NJE will have 800 Pilots- and still no representation. Think about your T&C's - or management will be doing the thinking for you...
NetJets Europe is a great employer.
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Hawkerpilot,
You are responsible of accepting an aircraft or not. If it's not airwothy, don't fly or you are guilty
Same if you believe that you are not fit to fly.... That's true in all the aviation business and should be applied by all of us.
You are responsible of accepting an aircraft or not. If it's not airwothy, don't fly or you are guilty
Same if you believe that you are not fit to fly.... That's true in all the aviation business and should be applied by all of us.
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Approximately 50 pilots left NJE in 2005.
So far over 40 have left in 2006.
At indoc however they will tell you nobody leaves
If they lie about this what else will they tell you?
Read again what Hawkerpilot has written and think very, very carefully before joining. Think also about what tophe says. Nobody should accept an unservicable aircraft or fly against their wishes. The operative word is should. Sadly the commercial pressures are high and experience levels are reducing as Netjets finds it impossible to recruit many people with more than the bare minimum.
Low experience, quick promotion to the left hand seat, growing fleet and company, commercial pressure, a toothless safety department, poor training for those in Operations and other departments................... you work it out.
So far over 40 have left in 2006.
At indoc however they will tell you nobody leaves
If they lie about this what else will they tell you?Read again what Hawkerpilot has written and think very, very carefully before joining. Think also about what tophe says. Nobody should accept an unservicable aircraft or fly against their wishes. The operative word is should. Sadly the commercial pressures are high and experience levels are reducing as Netjets finds it impossible to recruit many people with more than the bare minimum.
Low experience, quick promotion to the left hand seat, growing fleet and company, commercial pressure, a toothless safety department, poor training for those in Operations and other departments................... you work it out.
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No training, no SOPs and no effective supervision means the company can not legally fire you. Yet people get sacked left right and centre. All we want is a fair deal, and it is in the companies interest. I just do not understand the company mentality?????????????????
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You have to receive training in order for it to be poor.
No training, no SOPs and no effective supervision means the company can not legally fire you. Yet people get sacked left right and centre. All we want is a fair deal, and it is in the companies interest. I just do not understand the company mentality?????????????????
No training, no SOPs and no effective supervision means the company can not legally fire you. Yet people get sacked left right and centre. All we want is a fair deal, and it is in the companies interest. I just do not understand the company mentality?????????????????
I stand corrected FF.
It's even worse than I thought.