Sunderland airshow cancelled due to climate change.
 

Sunderland Airshow axed over climate change - BBC News

If this is the shape of things to come I'm glad I attended as many shows as I was able when younger.

Typical Labour council. I hope they enjoy a cold winter huddled around their candles.

So Labour are to blame for climate change? That is really desperate.

Without the true believers the modern version of ‘climate change’ would not exist..:)

Old fashioned climate change would still exist:
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A new study details how a much warmer climate than today led to the disappearance of glaciers and ice caps during the sub-300 ppm CO2 Early to Middle Holocene. The Arctic’s modern ice extent is among the largest of the last 10,000 years.

https://notrickszone.com/2022/08/29/...000-years-ago/

Funnily enough saw a doco a few days ago by climatologist explaining how climate change was responsible for the collapse of the Egyptian Pharaoh civilisation and creation of the Sahara desert.

Sounds about right.

About 2300 years ago these comments were written:

“…If it is true what the Cretans among others say, that nowadays the winters are more severe and more snow falls, adducing as evidence that the mountains were settled in olden times and supported both cereal and tree crop as the land was planted and tilled (for there are extensive plains among the mountains of Ida and in the other mountains, none of which are worked now because they do not bear, whereas in those days, as we have said, they were settled, as a result of which the island was populous, because then the rains were generous, while snowfalls and wintery weather did not often occur), if then this is true, as we say, the Etesian winds must be more numerous today…”


Rewriting the History of Climate Change in Ancient Greece ? PPEH Lab

Looking down the BBC page link above under 'More on this Story', it was cancelled in 2019 for 'bad weather', in 2020 for 'Corona virus' and in 2021 for 'Corona Virus' again. The only thing that has changed is the excuse given. Useful phrase, this 'climate change'.

The Tories have been in control for 12 years and this year people are facing power cuts, loss of pensions, increased fuel bills, and inflation...


'....but Corbyn!'

Is there a connection between climate change deniers and anti vaxxers?

Leaving aside the reason / excuse given for the cancellation I suspect a combination of H&S and cost has more to do with it.

Definately an excuse. The Sunderland Airshow had been in decline for a number of years before the universal covid/climate change excuse. During the 2019 airshow, a BAC Strikemaster burst at tyre on landing at Newcastle airport which caused a number of diversions on a peak weekend at the end of July.

Having said that, I have some very fond memories of the Sunderland Airshow which formed part of my childhood. Some of my recollections from past shows include:

B52 Flypast
F117A Flypast
Concorde Flypast
Sea Harrier and GR7 Duo
SU27 Anatoli Kovatur
SU26 Sventlana and Nikolia Timofeev
Jaguar
Tornado F3
Tornado GR1/4 then Role demo
Hawk
Tucano
Nimrod
BBMF
Red Arrows
RAF Falcons + Hercules Flypast
Red Devils
Black Cats Lynx
Blue Eagles 4× Gazelles 1x Lynx
Typhoon
Sea King SAR Demo
Chinook
Merlin
Belgian F16
Dutch F16
Danish F16
Patroulle Chysteline Fouga Magister trio
Dutch F27 shutting down an engine
Dutch PC-7
Belgian Fouga Magister
Catalina
B-17
Gill Air ATR
Eastern J41
DHL 757
Blenheim/Lysander Duo
Meteor/Vampire Duo
Vulcan- Boring
Royal Jordanian Falcons
Miss Demeanour Hunter F58
Fairey Swordfish
Fairey Firefly
Hawker Sea Fury
Hawker Sea Hawk
Will Curtis SU26
Nanchang CJ6
Christen Eagle
Newcastle Aero Club
Utterly Butterly Wing Walkers
Saab Drakken
Strikemaster Pair
Jet Provost Pair
Glider team (Guy Westgate)
Matadores 2x SU26
Mig 15
F-86 Sabre
Norwegian Vampire pair
Swiss PC-7 Team
Swedish Saab 105
P-40 Peter Teichman
Air Ambulance twin squirrel operating from arena

All in all, some impressive line ups over the years. Anyone got any more to add to the list?

Indeed, becoming increasingly popular to hide a multitude of sins.

A touch ironic however, given Sunderland's location, proximity to the N.Sea ... thence to the Urals where anything above +16C constitutes tropical

My gut feeling is by the end of this decade, what remaining airshows there still are in the UK today, will have all largely disappeared as a result of pressures from the eco-warriors.

I suspect a Venn diagram showing the two groups would have a pretty large intersection ...

Leaving aside the politics one has to question the presentation of this.

It cannot seriously be due to climate change since one airshow will have no impact whatsoever, so if they want to cancel it, and I can understand they probably cannot afford it, then they should make it clear they are canceling as a gesture about aviation and the environment which is not wholly unreasonable.

If say United airlines said they were cutting 25% of their flights for five years then that might make a noticeable but small difference.

Casting aspersions about center-left parties is a bit daft at present when the current ruling party has visibly run the country into the ground economically, socially and reputationally because they sold their soul to the devil with blond hair.

Was that a mis-print, or did you genuinely find the Vulcan boring?
It was my absolute favourite air display aircraft of all time to watch (and listen to) 🙂

The Triathlon World Championships eh?

Between January and October 2019 staff of the ITU took 1,471 flights covering 4,181,200 km and producing approximately 790 tonnes of CO2.

The Triathlon World Series events have roughly 120 athletes competing from all over the world, all of which will need to travel to Sunderland along with coaching and technical staff, family, friends and other associated hangers on.

I would suggest that the "environmental impact" of a small airshow mostly attended by locals will produce orders of magnitude less CO2 than an international sporting event.

The excuse is that they want it to be carbon neutral. That rules out just about any aeroplane likely to be worth watching and with a few exceptions under trial all the rest of them too

The Black Cats Lynx would have gone down very well in Sunderland

Sunderland Council asked United to do exactly that.

United told them to f*ck *ff.

In terms of aviation interest maybe (like most airshows) but attendances were fine. Not sure of the relevance of the Strikemaster to the cancellation?

It's the spectators attending the event which have the carbon impact. Isn't the Tour de France the sporting event with the largest carbon footprint?

My local town held its first ever air show off the main beach a couple of years ago. They then decided not to hold anymore, mainly due to the high costs of insurance and security.
At least that was a more honest reason than the currently in-vogue, protecting the environment......

Stop thinking like an extremist, there is nuance here.
1. "Climate change denial" - the absolutist position, climate has always been the same, there's a benchmark "normal". This is the "flat earth" science denial position
2. Man made climate change denier - Climate has always been dynamic, there's a load of evidence climate changed long before the coming of man's industrial revolution. This set believes that you can stop oil tomorrow and the climate will continue to warm and cool as it always has.

We conflate 1 and 2 above as if they are the same, they're not. There are a load of variables involved, of which one is human produced CO2. To lay the blame on man and ignore the weight of the other variables which have been changing climate since we had one, is religious belief fueled by junk modelling where funded scientists give added weight to certain variables to get funding. We should deffo pollute less, but the eco-alarmists couldn't understand a weighted model if their lives depended on it, and COVID modelling should have shown you how political "Science" can be. But what do I know, I only build models for clients for a living....

Council didn't like to say they are skint and the number of available aircraft for displays are down. They cannot blame covid this year so 10 points for the new eco excuse.

An omission of the Vulcan on my part. However, its early displays after its return to flight were actually quite dull. At Sunderland in around 2010 for example, it flew a very sedate display which was basically a few flypasts- no howling, no steep climbs, wing overs etc. I'm pretty convinced it crossed over the horizon at one point. It was only in its latter couple of years that they really started to throw it around and make lots of noise.

Having said that, I'd gladly pay through the nise to see it again!

I always thought a Sunderland Council were missing a trick by not charging a nominal entry free to the show ground which would both bring in a substantial revenue stream but also keep out the human detritus who would turn up with a football and a few bottles of cider who would get progressively more severely sunburned throughout the day!

All ancient history and happy memories now though!

It's happening to at least one airshow over here in the colonies too. The Alliance (Fort Worth) airshow has been reduced to one day, in part to be more 'sustainable'.

Formerly great event continues to go downhill due to rising cost of attendance (parking/admission charge is $80 this year!), increasing noise complaints by the new neighbors (the airport was here first and hard to miss), and operational constraints (Amazon is not willing to pause operations for more than a couple hours).

Glad I was able to attend in the days when there was actually a static display and an entire day of aerial acts.

*As I'm typing this, I wonder if they mean sustainable from an environmental perspective or from their financial perspective... or maybe both.

"An omission of the Vulcan on my part. However, its early displays after its return to flight were actually quite dull." - Kind of agree. The roar as it took off at Weald with low cloud and that wail and howl as it climbed out in 89 ? The Chickens didn't fare too well.

I'm all for supporting climate change and the planet but are we humans allowed to enjoy anything anymore?
Activists do realise the whole point of life IS to enjoy it. If the eco warriors get everything banned, it's going to be a very lonely place.

As to the fate of seaside air shows. What happened to some of the stalwarts like Southend? Used to enjoy that one and you could get stuck at the end of the pier for the Vulcan display. Now that was something.

[QUOTE=ATNotts;11315869]Is there a connection between climate change deniers and anti vaxxers?

According to Australian Sky News presenters, that is very much the case.
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Yes, but did they cancel THEIR airshow?

The demonic denier…

I. Difficulty. One of the fundamental and fatal difficulties of Atheism is that it is founded upon the denial of a first truth.

2. It cannot be denied without admitting it. The denial implies a denier; the denial is the effect of which the denier is the cause.

4. The denier knows that he states a falsehood in the denial: for if he did not believe in causality he would not and could not attempt the denial.

Skeletons, a course of theological lectures. Rev. Finney, vol 1, 1840


https://joannenova.com.au/2015/11/th...ct-a-religion/
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Oh, atheist me..:cool:

The ONLY thing that 'Flat Earthers' have to fear........

Is Sphere itself.

Cheeerrrsss..................

There is a third as well. One which I fall in. Those who just think we will in the end just adapt to any changes. We as a species are terrible at change (just look at how many climate agreements have been made them broken or not met.. all of them I think), but are very good at adapting. Climate change happens over very long periods, making change harder but adaptation easier.

Perfect illustration of Skippy's point:

:O

The real issue is not climate change per se - it happens on about a 30,000 year cycle and its still currently warming. It's the rate of change - it has accelerated substantially since about 1500.

All the actions are to try and buy time so we have longer to adapt a- moving all those folk out of Florida for example

Will they cancel Christmas as well?

Sunderland must be a fun place to live!

Camels, not Sopwith, affected by climate change.


https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....f2dc463457.jpg

I know we have thread drift, but to get to camel extinction from Sunderland airshow must be some kind of record.

Actually its tectonic drift.

I hate it when threads go off at a tangent. Strictly speaking, of course, a tangent is a line intersecting an arc perpendicular to its radius.

Maybe Sunderland Council should have a camel racing event to compensate for the loss of the airshow?
To be honest, I think the age of the airshow is coming to a close...Think of the wonderful shows we had in the not too distant past..Mildenhall, Waddington, North Weald, St Athan, Valley, Finningley Prestwick, Leuchars, Biggin Hill, even Farnborough is a Trade only show now
For may organisers, they are just in the "too difficult" pile now..
Couple that with increasing restrictions on the aircraft that actually are available now, and all you get are a lot of little dots doing loops and rolls above 2000 ft or halfway to the next county!
No..Sunderland Council chose a very trendy excuse to cancel any future show, and keep the Environmentalists onside...

If only we had a real airworthy Sunderland to show....:hmm:

Jack

If we are to prevail in achieving a sustainable version of a modern, advanced civilisation we will need to teach kids who will spend the prime of their careers between now and a mid-century "net-zero" economy to:
(a) understand the climate itself, which is an aggregation of the weather
(b) hence a need to understand meteorology
© appreciate observable meteorological phenomena - cloud formations, wind speed and precipitation
(d) reason about how these relate to numerical data - temperature, pressure and humidity
(e) understand energy systems, the accumulation, conservation and conversion of energy
(f) understand power systems - engines, motors, and storage - legacy and emerging
(g) get a feel for why any of this matters - what the difference is between how we live now and the middle ages
(h) make it interesting, get their attention and make them care

I can't think of a better way to inspire this kind of thinking than an air show.

OR:

Just teach them "who's to blame", "who to vote for" and "how to feel depressed, scared and helpless" in the face of the challenges we face.

I guess the second one is easier and cheaper - why "educate" when you can settle for "indoctrinate".

I have these conversations a lot, with people who think "climate change" (a convenient proxy for the broader challenge of maintaining a sustainable civilisation going forward) is a "political" or "moral" issue. Saves having to actually do the sums, face up to the biggest "technical" challenge we have yet faced, and raise our kids accordingly.

I have great faith in the innovative and creative capacity of humanity to take on challenges such as this, but boy does that faith take a hit on a regular basis when I see intellectually lazy, morally cowardly nonsense like this.