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Mooncrest 23rd May 2021 10:25

Boeing 737-200 'Holiday Jets'
 
In the 1970s and '80s, which European airlines flew these to the Mediterranean and other holiday areas ? I can think of (in no particular order):

Britannia Airways
Dan Air
Monarch Airlines
Maersk
Orion Airways
Aer Lingus
Braathens
Air Europe
Condor
Spantax
Hispania
British Airtours
Hapag Lloyd
Transavia
Trans European Airways
Aviogenex
TAP Air Portugal
Air Atlantis
Luxair
Mey Air
Air Malta
Air UK Leisure

Any more ?

GBYAJ 23rd May 2021 11:04


Originally Posted by Mooncrest (Post 11049634)
In the 1970s and '80s, which European airlines flew these to the Mediterranean and other holiday areas ? I can think of (in no particular order):

Britannia Airways
Dan Air
Monarch Airlines
Maersk
Orion Airways
Aer Lingus
Braathens
Air Europe
Condor
Spantax
Hispania
British Airtours
Hapag Lloyd
Transavia
Trans European Airways
Aviogenex
TAP Air Portugal
Air Atlantis
Luxair
Mey Air
Air Malta
Air UK Leisure

Any more ?

quite comprehensive already!

Airways International Cymru
IEA
amber airways
paramount (following take over of amber)

Mooncrest 23rd May 2021 11:10

Thankyou BYAJ. I'd forgotten about Cymru and Amberair. I knew IEA had a small fleet of -200s but not sure if they were around in the 1980s.

treadigraph 23rd May 2021 11:11

That's a fairly comprehensive list of European 737 operators in to which I'd add BA, Olympic, Lufthansa, Air France and Sabena, though whether they fully fit your holiday criteria I'm not sure!

Mooncrest 23rd May 2021 12:33

Maybe not Sabena but certainly Sobelair, their charter associate. Should also mention Caledonian, British Airtours' successor. I don't know if Air France and Lufthansa ever involved themselves with this sort of business, likely leaving it to the likes of Air Charter, Euralair and Condor.

I did fly on an Olympic 732 to Heraklion in 1990...but only from Athens. I don't know if this fleet ventured beyond the south east Mediterranean.

Liffy 1M 23rd May 2021 12:56

You could add Pan Am and Air Berlin, both of whom operated from Berlin. I certainly saw Pan Am 737s at Palma, operating charters at weekends. French operator Euralair acquired several early 737-200s and I imagine flew holiday charters.

ajdm 23rd May 2021 13:23

Sabre Airways & Busy Bee?

thegypsy 23rd May 2021 13:24

Orion's 737s were _300s not 200s

22/04 23rd May 2021 13:26


Orion's 737s were _300s not 200s
They had both.

thegypsy 23rd May 2021 13:35

Yes you are right sorry. Was thinking when Britannia took over the Brownies they came with just 300s I seem to remember ?

bean 23rd May 2021 14:24

Which Britannia got rid of smartish

Eagles Forever 23rd May 2021 14:40


Originally Posted by thegypsy (Post 11049739)
Yes you are right sorry. Was thinking when Britannia took over the Brownies they came with just 300s I seem to remember ?

And A300s !

Mooncrest 23rd May 2021 14:42

Thankyou for your continuing contributions all. It seems like anyone who had a 732 was fair game for this market, unless they specifically chose to exclude themselves. Pan Am at Palma alongside Dan Air and Spantax isn't easy to picture.

WHBM 23rd May 2021 15:26


Originally Posted by Mooncrest (Post 11049775)
Thankyou for your continuing contributions all. It seems like anyone who had a 732 was fair game for this market, unless they specifically chose to exclude themselves. Pan Am at Palma alongside Dan Air and Spantax isn't easy to picture.

I recall multiple Pan Am 737s at Palma from Berlin on a Saturday as well. The internal German flights reduced notably at weekends and having the aircraft to hand at Berlin slotted in nicely. For some reason the German market never went for the UK tradition of fully overnight flights (depart 11pm, Med destination in the small hours, back at 6am), and so they did mass departures on the nose of 6am when their airports opened (of course, by the time the UK 8am departures were coached to the beach, all the sunbeds were gone ... :) )..

Regarding the charter "offshoots" of mainstream scheduled carriers, these often used mainline aircraft and crews, the charter arm being more for marketing. I certainly went on "Austrian Air Transport" on a 'student charter' (a whole separate topic of the era in itself), Gatwick to Vienna, and everything was just a straightforward Austrian Airlines DC9, operating in marginal time. BEA/British Airtours was a bit of an exception to this, although off-season a lot of their capacity went the other way and could be seen at Heathrow on schedules.

Mooncrest 23rd May 2021 16:55

I trust Boeing was very grateful to Britannia for many years for leading the way with the 732, although it was another ten years before another British charter airline - Air Europe - was to order the type. Dan Air, Monarch and British Airtours were still flying Comets, 1-11s, Boeing 720s and 707s and Orion was still a couple more years away.

Speaking of airline charter arms, I flew to and from Ljubljana in 1986 with Air Yugoslavia. We were on a 727 both ways and, apart from the 'JR' prefix and the 'Yugair' RT callsign, it was JAT Yugoslav Airlines. Obviously, some airlines decided to put a little more distance between themselves and their charter cousins, e.g. Lufthansa with Condor and Sabena with Sobelair.

Musket90 23rd May 2021 19:42

Peach Air ?

Musket90 23rd May 2021 19:46

Just thought of another, Ambassador Airways who had two which transferred to Sabre after their demise.

teusje 23rd May 2021 19:52

Aviogenex?

thegypsy 23rd May 2021 20:09

The topic was B737/200s not A300 or B737/300s which Britannia inherited from the Brownies after the take over. (Yes take over not merger) despite the outrageous merging of seniority .

GBYAJ 23rd May 2021 20:09

The original list seemed to cover most. Surprising there are so few really. Some of the later ones that i mentioned only had 1 732. Tried hard think of others but 737-300’s and Md83’s were popular by 85 onwards.

Similar experience with JAT, only ref to Air Yugoslavia was at Dbv airport. Even the crew said it was a “YAT flight” in between cigs…….

Air Belgium - 1 732, 1 733 IIRC!

Mooncrest 23rd May 2021 20:27

Air Belgium, of course. OO-PLH, sometimes wore her own livery, sometimes that of America West. Sometimes she even flew for Air Belgium rather than subbing for somebody else.

I think Sabre and Peach Air were both post-1990. I'm not sure about Ambassador but I think G-BFVA and VB were common factors here! Might have been BECG and CH. All Britannia cast-offs anyways.

What an incredibly successful aeroplane it was. Interesting that Britannia didn't go for the -300 (and -500) until much later, the Orion aircraft notwithstanding.

WHBM 23rd May 2021 21:45

Braathens was another pioneer with the 737, which was used on a mixture of Norwegian trunk domestics and runs to the Mediterranean, taking over from a DC-6B fleet. I think at one stage they had the highest hourly utilisation of any 737 operator.

NG1 23rd May 2021 22:39

Lauda Air operated briefly one 737-200, leased from Transavia. OE-ILE.

Clueless In CLK 24th May 2021 03:22

Europe Air Services
Eurolair
TAT
Air Mediteraine
AOM
GB Airways
Air Belgium
Air Liberte
ICS/Air Inter


TCU 24th May 2021 06:26

European Aviation operated a -200 on behalf of Bournemouth based Palmair

The Braathens -200's mentioned by WHBM and those of Busy Bee mentioned by adjm, were both regulars at STN in the late 70's on the Sunday morning/evening Scandi charters

N707ZS 24th May 2021 07:22

Did the British Airways 200s make it to the Med resorts.

There was also about three or four French 200s F-GCSL being one that changed company's for various reasons. One being Euralair.

And more company's in Spain.

GBYAJ 24th May 2021 10:22


Originally Posted by N707ZS (Post 11050138)
Did the British Airways 200s make it to the Med resorts.

There was also about three or four French 200s F-GCSL being one that changed company's for various reasons. One being Euralair.

And more company's in Spain.

yes for a number of years the BA737 that night stopped in NCl went to PMI, ibZ and Gro over the weekend. I think the 757’s at BFS, GLA and MAN may have done the same.

WHBM 24th May 2021 10:57


Originally Posted by GBYAJ (Post 11050284)
yes for a number of years the BA737 that night stopped in NCL went to PMI, IBZ and GRO over the weekend.

This was a longstanding hangover from the days when BKS/Northeast was a (semi) independent carrier, and had contracts with Airways Holidays, who were the principal regional tour company in Newcastle. The Northeast Tridents there were used in the same way, scheduled trunk runs to London, along with night/weekend holiday charters.

In recent times BA Cityflyer have got into a similar market with their Embraers; returning from Palma a few years ago to London City it was quite a surprise to find no less than four of the BA E190s lined up together on the remote stands there, holiday charters to Glasgow/Edinburgh etc.

GBLDE 24th May 2021 11:53

I remember BA 757's at weekends in summer at NCL used to do charters to Spain overnight, but i don't remember any BA 737-200's doing the same. DAN had one 737-200 based at NCL flying charters for many years on behalf of Intasun ,until 1990 when two DAN 737-400's took over.

GBYAJ 24th May 2021 12:23


Originally Posted by GBLDE (Post 11050365)
I remember BA 757's at weekends in summer at NCL used to do charters to Spain overnight, but i don't remember any BA 737-200's doing the same. DAN had one 737-200 based at NCL flying charters for many years on behalf of Intasun ,until 1990 when two DAN 737-400's took over.

G-BLDE the NCL based DA 737, it’s the identity I always wanted!! 1990 remained G-BLDE and a 737-400, 1991 2x 737-400 and a 727-200 and then 2.5 737-400’s in 1992.

the BA 737’s did do this 86, 87 at least and then perhaps not after the recession of 88 when loads of lights were cut back. Not sure when they started. The 757 didn’t night stop until the end of the 80’s.

Flightrider 24th May 2021 12:42

I recall the BA 757s doing a lot of overnight charters (mostly for Intasun) as the British Midland DC9 did at Teesside and the Dan-Air 146s also did at Newcastle. However I can't remember any BA 737-200 overnight charter operations at Newcastle or anywhere else.

The ex-Britannia Ambassador / Sabre / Peach duo were G-BAZH and G-BFVB which were both later re-registered as they moved through life.

Amber Air / Paramount had ex-Britannia G-BOSA (which was G-BAZI with Airways Cymru in a previous life) and G-BKMS which was an Orion aircraft.


SpringHeeledJack 24th May 2021 13:56


I recall multiple Pan Am 737s at Palma from Berlin on a Saturday as well. The internal German flights reduced notably at weekends and having the aircraft to hand at Berlin slotted in nicely. For some reason the German market never went for the UK tradition of fully overnight flights (depart 11pm, Med destination in the small hours, back at 6am), and so they did mass departures on the nose of 6am when their airports opened (of course, by the time the UK 8am departures were coached to the beach, all the sunbeds were gone ... https://www.pprune.org/images/smilies/smile.gif )..
The ever logical thinking Teutons knew that some sleep was worth more than as good as no sleep when heading off on a beach holiday, so would never entertain a short/middle haul overnight flight. By doing so you effectively 'lose' the first day as you're so shattered to only want to sleep in your hotel, though some hardy youngsters could do it on the beach. No, the Germans prefer to go to bed early, get up early, catch a 6am flight (when most German airports allow flights due to noise) and arrive in the Med 2+hrs later ready to enjoy that all important first day. The way home is less important, just an easy day to re-acquaint oneself with home and shopping for provisions before heading back to work the next morning, early of course ;-)

I think it's almost impossible to add any more 737-200's to the list outside of main airline aircraft doing charters at the weekend or ad-hoc. Did anyone mention Aer Lingus's 732's doing charters to the near Med or religious pilgramage sites ?

WHBM 24th May 2021 15:40


Originally Posted by Flightrider (Post 11050398)
I recall the BA 757s doing a lot of overnight charters (mostly for Intasun)

Wonder if these were British Airtours 757s, same livery, just different titles. Although Intasun had ownership of Air Europe, they were also British Airtours' largest charterer, and owner Harry Goodman was known for waiting until after the prime rotations were sold, then picking up all the residue at lower prices, particularly the overnights. There was quite some cross-relationship between Air Europe and British Airtours (and mainline BA), with aircraft going back and forth.

spekesoftly 24th May 2021 18:50

I believe Air Europe also had a brief aircraft sharing arrangement with Air Florida. I've a vague recollection of being mildly surprised at seeing a B737-200 in Air Florida colours at Gatwick in the early 1980s.

WHBM 24th May 2021 19:40


Originally Posted by spekesoftly (Post 11050648)
I believe Air Europe also had a brief aircraft sharing arrangement with Air Florida. I've a vague recollection of being mildly surprised at seeing a B737-200 in Air Florida colours at Gatwick in the early 1980s.

These arrangements have long been extensive with US and Canadian operators, and indeed continue to quite an extent, but started with the 737-200. basically, holiday flights from the north to Florida/Caribbean etc peak in the winter; in the summer they tend to go to their cabin in the woods closer to home. This is opposite seasonality to the European operators, of course, so various leasing deals have been arranged over time, back and forth, some quite extensive involving multiple aircraft. The Americans think the Brits going on holiday to Florida in the August heat are mad !

Even Court Line did it in the early 1970s with their One-Eleven 500s, sending a couple over to Caribbean operator LIAT, which they had a part ownership of, in the winter.

condor17 24th May 2021 20:58

Looking at logbook , BA mainline did 732 charters from Berlin TXL to Med destinations over w/es when IGS business routes less busy . BA Airtours could be backed up at w/es with extra 732s popped over from LHR to LGW [ Friday night special , pop one over at end of a tour , MT back ].
Whilst Airtours LGW posted , we had BHX or Leeds tours , occaisionally MAN [ mainly covered by MAN based crews ] .
Night charters from shuttle destinations went from T3s to 75s. 732s not normally on Shuttle dest. night stops , as bigger capacities needed .
Some early BA 75s got sold on to Air Europe [ with some crews volunteered for some months ], and leased back when charters less busy . Into '90s we had some 75 tours ex LGW. don't think they were charters .
Caledonian [ YDA Yellow Dog Airways , and succesor to BA airtours ] had up to 6 75s in their own colours .

rgds condor .

Mooncrest 24th May 2021 21:03

SpringheeledJack. Yes, I mentioned the Aer Lingus 737s in my opening post. I gather they also used to send their 707s and 747s to the Mediterranean when they weren't crossing the Atlantic or flying for another airline, as they often were. I don't know if their 1-11s got a slice of the Mediterranean market; Autair, BUA-Caledonian, Airways Cymru and others did.

Which reminds me, although the 732 was clearly the king of the Med thirty-plus years ago, let us not forget the other aeroplanes that were heavily involved too. The Viscount and Britannia, the DC6, the 707/720 and 727, the BAC1-11, the DC8, DC9 and DC10 and the TU134 and TU154. Lockheed TriStar. Then came the later marks of the 737, the 757 and 767 and Airbuses of many kinds. And the MD80 series.

treadigraph 24th May 2021 21:06

Comet and Caravelle as well.

brakedwell 25th May 2021 07:31


Originally Posted by spekesoftly (Post 11050648)
I believe Air Europe also had a brief aircraft sharing arrangement with Air Florida. I've a vague recollection of being mildly surprised at seeing a B737-200 in Air Florida colours at Gatwick in the early 1980s.

In 1981 we had one Air Florida B737 on loan from Air Florida flown by AE crews, which was N54AF. I think they had two of our 737s for two winters. Regarding the B757s,, we had one AE aircraft, GBKRM and a leased BA 757, GBPGW, for the first summer. BA also provided 6 crews who were integrated with AE crews for the first two summers of 83 & 84. I don't have a photos of the Air Florida 737, but her are some others.
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....343eb4a354.jpg

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....2fc16d7a4.jpeg

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....ea44d142dc.jpg
  1. for the first two summers of 83 & 84. I don't have a photos of the Air Florida 737, but her are some others.
  2. https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....6751946870.jpg

WHBM 25th May 2021 08:38


Originally Posted by brakedwell (Post 11050940)
In 1981 we had one Air Florida B737 on loan from Air Florida flown by AE crews, which was N54AF.

Can I ask how that works, with an N-reg aircraft operating with UK crews. It appears to have operated in 1981 under an N-reg, when it came back for summer 1982 it was re-reg in the UK for the duration as G-BJXM.

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