WHBM
We were given temporary American ALTPs to fly the aircraft. I can't remember if we had a second year with an Air Florida aircraft, it was a long time ago.. |
I remember the Air Florida 732's, they had a blue and green tail insignia that then ran along the fuselage, or vice-versa depending on your way of looking.
In the above post of LGW photos, in the background of the third photo there's two white DC-8's with blue cheat lines with an Air Zimbabwe 707 sandwiched between them.. Anyone know whose they were ? Always seemed sunny back then, even if that was far from the truth.... |
The two DC8s belonged to IAS Cargo Airlines, headquartered at Horley, which I flew before joining Air Europe.
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the above post of LGW photos, in the background of the third photo there's two white DC-8's with blue cheat lines with an Air Zimbabwe 707 sandwiched between them.. Anyone know whose they were |
Worldways, yes. On the left hand side of the pic there's another DC-8 behind the Orion 737 - is that Rich International?
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Originally Posted by Musket90
(Post 11049927)
Peach Air ?
Remember Sabre then Peach doing bucket and spade flights from NWI in the mid/late 90's. Seemed to have a habit of pitching up with u/s APU's thus requiring air starts from the ground rig. |
Originally Posted by treadigraph
(Post 11051133)
Worldways, yes. On the left hand side of the pic there's another DC-8 behind the Orion 737 - is that Rich International?
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One of the Air Florida 732s ended up with Dan Air for a spell in 1986; either BJXL or BJXM. She still wore the blue stripey bit of the Air Florida livery plus the uncircled compass and pennant on the tailfin. I remember this particular aircraft used to frequently turn up at Leeds Bradford during the 1986-87 winter season, I think on Intasun duty.
Going back to what treadigraph said about the Comet and Caravelle on Mediterranean charters, I know there were no UK-registered Caravelles but there were certainly Comets from BEA/BEA Airtours, Channel and Dan Air out there. Most likely the same actual aircraft over a number of years. Caravelles came from Transavia, Air Charter, SAT Flug, Istanbul Airlines, Hispania and Aero Lloyd, among others. |
Originally Posted by Mooncrest
(Post 11050722)
SpringheeledJack. Yes, I mentioned the Aer Lingus 737s in my opening post. I gather they also used to send their 707s and 747s to the Mediterranean when they weren't crossing the Atlantic or flying for another airline, as they often were. I don't know if their 1-11s got a slice of the Mediterranean market; Autair, BUA-Caledonian, Airways Cymru and others did.
Which reminds me, although the 732 was clearly the king of the Med thirty-plus years ago, let us not forget the other aeroplanes that were heavily involved too. The Viscount and Britannia, the DC6, the 707/720 and 727, the BAC1-11, the DC8, DC9 and DC10 and the TU134 and TU154. Lockheed TriStar. Then came the later marks of the 737, the 757 and 767 and Airbuses of many kinds. And the MD80 series. |
There were certainly quite a few Caravelle regulars in a Gatwick in the '70s, others included SATA, Aviaco (I think?), SAM and at least two other Italian and Spanish operators whose names escape me.
One oddity I recall was a Midwest Air Charter Caravelle, N901MW or N902MW I think, trailing down Green 1 from Strumble to Dover - must have been about 1980. Think it's callsign was the registration. |
Originally Posted by SWBKCB
(Post 11051250)
154's to the Med?
As well as the Air Florida supplementals, Air Europe also operated G-BKRO during summer 1983. An ex-Maersk aircraft leased from GPA. A bit like the Dan Air aircraft I mentioned above, this one was another LBA regular, from and to Palma just about every Sunday. It must have liked short runways! EDIT: Apparently BKRO had the -17 engines whereas Air Europe's own aircraft had the -15. |
Originally Posted by SWBKCB
(Post 11051250)
154's to the Med?
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Originally Posted by Mooncrest
(Post 11049654)
Thankyou BYAJ. I'd forgotten about Cymru and Amberair. I knew IEA had a small fleet of -200s but not sure if they were around in the 1980s.
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Originally Posted by Pat UK
(Post 11051300)
IEA started in 87 with one -200 for the summer only, wef 88 they operated -300's, not sure that Paramount operated -200, I recall them operating an Ansett Leasing owned -300 but I don't recall a -200.
200 was based MAN 300 G-PATE based NCl The year didn’t end well for old Paramount though…. |
How about GB Airways?
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Originally Posted by GBYAJ
(Post 11051306)
g-bkms, 1989 after they bought amber air.
200 was based MAN 300 G-PATE based NCl The year didn’t end well for old Paramount though…. G-PATE ended up being chartered by the Queensland government for sub-contracting with Ansett, Ansett the sub-contractor and also the aircraft owner, not surprisingly G-PATE never made it back from Oz. |
A few B737-200 Gatwick photos from late 70's to early 80's. The Air Liberia one would probably not be called a "holiday jet".
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....a7ea3a6fdd.jpg https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....f8066c89c1.jpg https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....207acb48fd.jpg https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....c915b489ff.jpg |
Originally Posted by Pat UK
(Post 11051317)
How about GB Airways?
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What a lot of recollections since I last looked in !
Originally Posted by ATNotts
(Post 11051175)
Certainly is Rich International. Just seeing those tail colours remind me of the time when at MIA and I got on to the Rich ramp in the days of the C46s and DC6s. A lovely, if by the time of the DC8s somewhat dated livery. If I recall correctly the Rich DC8s did a season operating from various UK airports, possible to Orlando?
GB Airways, from Gibraltar ("Gibair"), had long had a close association with BA, leasing one of their Viscounts for the hop across the straits, but suddenly developed a substantial operation out of Gatwick, firstly to Gibraltar of course, and then both schedules and charters to various Mediterranean points. They were an early BA franchise operator, in BA full colours, and later moved on from 737s to a substantial A320 fleet. I believe they never made any money from it (bit of a Gatwick recurring story), and the owners eventually sold out to Easyjet. Midwest Air Charter were a US operator for the overnight package companies, they used Caravelles, no cargo door, on the work. Built up quite a fleet but didn't last too long. I would guess one coming over the Atlantic was coming for a maintenance check. Caravelles would come through Gatwick from time to time, but not too many. SATA from Switzerland were a regular with student charters, Aviaco and Transeuropa both did work, especially cheap overnights, for the Intasun/Goodman business which was left over from Air Europe - Transeuropa had a couple of the very rare Caravelle 11R with a big forward cargo door, which they stripped the seats from in the off season when no holiday passengers were offered to bring in cargo, in particular early Spring potatoes from the Canary Islands. Potatoes airfreighted in a Caravelle ? No, I am not making this up :) |
Arkia from Israel used to overnight at Gatwick about '81 or '82 with 737-200s. They had a vortex destroyer pipe below the engine intake for operation from unpaved runways. For security they were parked outside BCAL hangars.
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A few more airlines from the 1980s...
Aerotour from France - a couple of 737-200 for a just a few months in 1980 Air Sul from Portugal - started operations at the very end of 1989 with a 737 leased from Britannia AW Eagle Air of Iceland - several aircraft flown at various points from 1982 onwards, including leasing to Britannia AW Rotterdam Airlines from Holland - another short lived airline, but unsure whether they were mostly scheduled or charter Transwede from Sweden - used 737s from 1989 If we're including Turkey, then there are the following Istanbul Airlines (a single 737-400 ! - does this count?) Sultan Air There may be more out there... |
Paramount ended up with both of the AmberAir 737-200s and their own 737-300 (G-PATE) which was based at Newcastle. They had four MD83s as well in that final year in which their bank account was emptied and ILG had to prop them up to complete the summer flying programme rather than see the airline collapse mid-way through the summer.
GB Airways leased a 737 from Britannia for a weekly Gibraltar flight for many years through the mid 1980s before they obtained their own 737-200s and the relationship with BA really moved on. It made substantial money for a few years but the timing of the sale by Bland Group to easyJet was probably one of the better outcomes in aviation history for airline owners. They got out at a good time just before the market chaos, fuel prices and mass bankruptcies that followed in 2008. It was certainly one of the more astute pieces of Gatwick history, especially when compared to the likes of BIA turning down a take-over offer from Air Europe largely based on the value of Gatwick slots, only for BIA to fail within 18 months. |
Originally Posted by OvertHawk
(Post 11051146)
Was Peach Air not a reincarnation of Sabre after they went bust?
Remember Sabre then Peach doing bucket and spade flights from NWI in the mid/late 90's. Seemed to have a habit of pitching up with u/s APU's thus requiring air starts from the ground rig. Peach Air started operations in 1997 and was taken over by JMC Airlines in 1999. Peach Air operated four aircraft, two Boeing 737-200 and two Lockheed L1011, none of which saw further flying with JMC Airlines. Sabre started operations in 1994 and was taken over by Excel Airways in 2001. Sabre Airlines two original Boeing 737-200 aircraft which were both leased went onto Peach Air in 1997. The two Boeing 737-200 in question were, G-SBEA delivered in April 1997 and G-SBEB delivered in January 1997. Sabre operated Boeing 727-200, Boeing 737-200, Boeing 737-800, but not simultaneously. Sabre was the first UK airline to operate the Boeing 737-800 with the initial aircraft being delivered to the airline in January 2000. |
Originally Posted by Mooncrest
(Post 11049705)
Maybe not Sabena but certainly Sobelair, their charter associate. Should also mention Caledonian, British Airtours' successor. I don't know if Air France and Lufthansa ever involved themselves with this sort of business, likely leaving it to the likes of Air Charter, Euralair and Condor.
I did fly on an Olympic 732 to Heraklion in 1990...but only from Athens. I don't know if this fleet ventured beyond the south east Mediterranean. In the early to mid eighties when Olympic Airways withdrew their fleet of Boeing 720's the airline operated their Boeing 737-200 aircraft on the summer only schedule from London Heathrow to Thessaloniki. At the same time Olympic Airways also flew a summer seasonal scheduled flight from London Heathrow to Corfu which was operated by their Airbus A300's. Olympic Airways Boeing 737's we're often seen at northern European airports such as Amsterdam, Frankfurt, Geneva, London Heathrow, Paris CDG. https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....828d18857e.jpg Olympic Airways Boeing 737-284 SX-BCI at London Heathrow Airport in July 1986. |
A few B737-200 Gatwick photos from late 70's to early 80's. The Air Liberia one would probably not be called a "holiday jet". |
Dassault Mercures would have been operating to/from the French Mediterranean
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They did do some flights into LHR subbing for Air France here and there, but Air Inter's Mercure aircraft did the Paris Orly-Nice and Marseille routes until the A300's took over. These were just internal trunk routes rather than holiday flights. I flew in one a bit later between Paris Orly and Avignon just before they were retired and sent out to various museums.
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Originally Posted by jetstream7
(Post 11051416)
A few more airlines from the 1980s...
Aerotour from France - a couple of 737-200 for a just a few months in 1980 Air Sul from Portugal - started operations at the very end of 1989 with a 737 leased from Britannia AW Eagle Air of Iceland - several aircraft flown at various points from 1982 onwards, including leasing to Britannia AW Rotterdam Airlines from Holland - another short lived airline, but unsure whether they were mostly scheduled or charter Transwede from Sweden - used 737s from 1989 If we're including Turkey, then there are the following Istanbul Airlines (a single 737-400 ! - does this count?) Sultan Air There may be more out there... |
Originally Posted by SpringHeeledJack
(Post 11051820)
They did do some flights into LHR subbing for Air France here and there, but Air Inter's Mercure aircraft did the Paris Orly-Nice and Marseille routes until the A300's took over. These were just internal trunk routes rather than holiday flights. I flew in one a bit later between Paris Orly and Avignon just before they were retired and sent out to various museums.
Might be their only international schedule for the grand fleet of 10 outside France. When Airbus first wanted to do the A320 there were several doubters who pointed to the Mercure and said it was the same size and would have the same sales fate. You know the rest ... |
Might be their only international schedule for the grand fleet of 10 outside France. |
Palm Air still used a 737-200 based at Hurn up to November 2008. Operated mainly to the Med, They later used a Astraeus -500 up to the point that they stopped trading in Oct 2010.
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Aerosvit were still operating a B737-200, which would have served some Mediterranean destinations, until their bankruptcy in 2013.
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What a thread and what a drift, got me thinking of KLM DC4 but, Mooncrest, Air Florida XL also did a stint with Air Europe in, around 1984. Without log-book check, I think I would have flown it a few times and a mate of mine did the ferry trip over from Miami, via Goose to LGW at the start of the summer season. Didn't it crash with the icing problem in some river back in the USA after seeing time on the UK IT network summers ?
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N62AF was the Potomac River crash Air Florida 737 - an ex United -222, I don't think it ever operated in Europe.
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IIRC, the Air Florida 732s that Air Europe and Dan Air borrowed were both the -2T4 variant.
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737-200 holiday jets 70's/80's
737-200 charter jets
Air UK Leisure started with some -200's I think GB Airways Leisure was mentioned MEY AIR TEA TEA UK Air Berlin USA Luxair Later years I think - all French... still using -200's Euralair aigle azur corsair ACI EAS Air Toulouse |
Originally Posted by treadigraph
(Post 11052319)
N62AF was the Potomac River crash Air Florida 737 - an ex United -222, I don't think it ever operated in Europe.
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Originally Posted by rog747
(Post 11052408)
Air UK Leisure started with some -200's
I recall being at Stansted for an AirUK 146 to Edinburgh. This particular day it was being operated by one of their 737s. They must have had a separate AOC, and CAA rules require that pax are specifically told which AOC they are on. So there was a stack of leaflets to this effect being handed out at check-in, written in rather poor aviationese. In front of me were an elderly couple, also for Edinburgh. "Yeah, to Edinburgh, yeah. It's a Leisure flight today, yeah ...". Which of course was all complete double-dutch to them. |
Originally Posted by WHBM
(Post 11052497)
Like a number of the "captive" holiday flight divisions of mainstream carriers, they did substitute operations for their parent, especially in the off season.
I recall being at Stansted for an AirUK 146 to Edinburgh. This particular day it was being operated by one of their 737s. They must have had a separate AOC, and CAA rules require that pax are specifically told which AOC they are on. In addition the 767-300ER purchase was a Unijet collaboration and these 767's never carried Air UK Leisure titles - They were just Leisure, when in 1993 the airline introduced two leased Boeing 767-300ER aircraft on behalf of tour operator Unijet. Leisure International Airways In 1996 the airline was completely sold to Unijet and was renamed Leisure International Airways and moved its main base to LGW. |
There was a full winter season where the scheduled AirUK early morning LGW-EDI-GLA-LGW circular flight was operated by an Air UK Leisure 737 (which I think was a -400 by then) before it set off to the Canaries or wherever at about 1100.
Going back to an earlier topic, I've checked the schedule books for NCL for 1985 and 1988 and can find no record of BA operating IT charters overnight from there - which was what I thought. They were doing this from MAN, GLA, BFS and to a lesser extent EDI but there were no regular BA charters shown ex NCL. In 1985, the NCL-LHR service was a 737-200 on the Newcastle nightstop and a mix of 737-200s and 1-11-500s plus a Trident 3 each afternoon. By 1988 it was a 757 on the nightstop and evening up & back (where the Trident 3 used to be) and still 737-200s and 1-11-500s on the rest. Newcastle was one of the few (only?0 BA domestic destinations to regularly see the A320s and also the four 737-300s which BA leased from Maersk for a couple of years around 1990-1992. |
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