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brakedwell 25th May 2021 09:57

WHBM
We were given temporary American ALTPs to fly the aircraft. I can't remember if we had a second year with an Air Florida aircraft, it was a long time ago..

SpringHeeledJack 25th May 2021 11:44

I remember the Air Florida 732's, they had a blue and green tail insignia that then ran along the fuselage, or vice-versa depending on your way of looking.

In the above post of LGW photos, in the background of the third photo there's two white DC-8's with blue cheat lines with an Air Zimbabwe 707 sandwiched between them.. Anyone know whose they were ? Always seemed sunny back then, even if that was far from the truth....

brakedwell 25th May 2021 12:07

The two DC8s belonged to IAS Cargo Airlines, headquartered at Horley, which I flew before joining Air Europe.

Double Hydco 25th May 2021 12:15


the above post of LGW photos, in the background of the third photo there's two white DC-8's with blue cheat lines with an Air Zimbabwe 707 sandwiched between them.. Anyone know whose they were
They look like Worldways Canada to me?

treadigraph 25th May 2021 12:20

Worldways, yes. On the left hand side of the pic there's another DC-8 behind the Orion 737 - is that Rich International?

OvertHawk 25th May 2021 12:36


Originally Posted by Musket90 (Post 11049927)
Peach Air ?

Was Peach Air not a reincarnation of Sabre after they went bust?

Remember Sabre then Peach doing bucket and spade flights from NWI in the mid/late 90's.

Seemed to have a habit of pitching up with u/s APU's thus requiring air starts from the ground rig.

ATNotts 25th May 2021 13:05


Originally Posted by treadigraph (Post 11051133)
Worldways, yes. On the left hand side of the pic there's another DC-8 behind the Orion 737 - is that Rich International?

Certainly is Rich International. Just seeing those tail colours remind me of the time when at MIA and I got on to the Rich ramp in the days of the C46s and DC6s. A lovely, if by the time of the DC8s somewhat dated livery. If I recall correctly the Rich DC8s did a season operating from various UK airports, possible to Orlando?

Mooncrest 25th May 2021 15:41

One of the Air Florida 732s ended up with Dan Air for a spell in 1986; either BJXL or BJXM. She still wore the blue stripey bit of the Air Florida livery plus the uncircled compass and pennant on the tailfin. I remember this particular aircraft used to frequently turn up at Leeds Bradford during the 1986-87 winter season, I think on Intasun duty.

Going back to what treadigraph said about the Comet and Caravelle on Mediterranean charters, I know there were no UK-registered Caravelles but there were certainly Comets from BEA/BEA Airtours, Channel and Dan Air out there. Most likely the same actual aircraft over a number of years. Caravelles came from Transavia, Air Charter, SAT Flug, Istanbul Airlines, Hispania and Aero Lloyd, among others.

SWBKCB 25th May 2021 15:55


Originally Posted by Mooncrest (Post 11050722)
SpringheeledJack. Yes, I mentioned the Aer Lingus 737s in my opening post. I gather they also used to send their 707s and 747s to the Mediterranean when they weren't crossing the Atlantic or flying for another airline, as they often were. I don't know if their 1-11s got a slice of the Mediterranean market; Autair, BUA-Caledonian, Airways Cymru and others did.

Which reminds me, although the 732 was clearly the king of the Med thirty-plus years ago, let us not forget the other aeroplanes that were heavily involved too. The Viscount and Britannia, the DC6, the 707/720 and 727, the BAC1-11, the DC8, DC9 and DC10 and the TU134 and TU154. Lockheed TriStar. Then came the later marks of the 737, the 757 and 767 and Airbuses of many kinds. And the MD80 series.

154's to the Med?

treadigraph 25th May 2021 16:01

There were certainly quite a few Caravelle regulars in a Gatwick in the '70s, others included SATA, Aviaco (I think?), SAM and at least two other Italian and Spanish operators whose names escape me.

One oddity I recall was a Midwest Air Charter Caravelle, N901MW or N902MW I think, trailing down Green 1 from Strumble to Dover - must have been about 1980. Think it's callsign was the registration.

Mooncrest 25th May 2021 16:03


Originally Posted by SWBKCB (Post 11051250)
154's to the Med?

I am admittedly stretching the truth there. For Mediterranean, read Black Sea.

As well as the Air Florida supplementals, Air Europe also operated G-BKRO during summer 1983. An ex-Maersk aircraft leased from GPA. A bit like the Dan Air aircraft I mentioned above, this one was another LBA regular, from and to Palma just about every Sunday. It must have liked short runways!

EDIT: Apparently BKRO had the -17 engines whereas Air Europe's own aircraft had the -15.

TCU 25th May 2021 16:40


Originally Posted by SWBKCB (Post 11051250)
154's to the Med?

Now hopelessly off topic, but Greenair from Turkey operated 3 x 154's and certainly flew to Gatwick in early 90's.....now back to the -200....

Pat UK 25th May 2021 17:33


Originally Posted by Mooncrest (Post 11049654)
Thankyou BYAJ. I'd forgotten about Cymru and Amberair. I knew IEA had a small fleet of -200s but not sure if they were around in the 1980s.

IEA started in 87 with one -200 for the summer only, wef 88 they operated -300's, not sure that Paramount operated -200, I recall them operating an Ansett Leasing owned -300 but I don't recall a -200.

GBYAJ 25th May 2021 17:51


Originally Posted by Pat UK (Post 11051300)
IEA started in 87 with one -200 for the summer only, wef 88 they operated -300's, not sure that Paramount operated -200, I recall them operating an Ansett Leasing owned -300 but I don't recall a -200.

g-bkms, 1989 after they bought amber air.

200 was based MAN
300 G-PATE based NCl

The year didn’t end well for old Paramount though….

Pat UK 25th May 2021 18:22

How about GB Airways?

Pat UK 25th May 2021 18:27


Originally Posted by GBYAJ (Post 11051306)
g-bkms, 1989 after they bought amber air.

200 was based MAN
300 G-PATE based NCl

The year didn’t end well for old Paramount though….


G-PATE ended up being chartered by the Queensland government for sub-contracting with Ansett, Ansett the sub-contractor and also the aircraft owner, not surprisingly G-PATE never made it back from Oz.

Musket90 25th May 2021 18:57

A few B737-200 Gatwick photos from late 70's to early 80's. The Air Liberia one would probably not be called a "holiday jet".
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....a7ea3a6fdd.jpg
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....f8066c89c1.jpg
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....207acb48fd.jpg
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....c915b489ff.jpg

Mooncrest 25th May 2021 20:44


Originally Posted by Pat UK (Post 11051317)
How about GB Airways?

I honestly don't know what Gibair was up to in the 1970s and 1980s, apart from flying at least one Viscount and one 737 between Gibraltar, Tangiers and Gatwick. I do know that by the summer of 1994, GB Leisure was established as a charter offshoot, based at Gatwick with two ex-Britannia 732s, BECG and BECH. I don't know if they had any other 732s. Sunseeker Leisure at Leeds Bradford used one of the aircraft for its Malta flights before TransLift came along with their A320.

WHBM 25th May 2021 21:33

What a lot of recollections since I last looked in !

Originally Posted by ATNotts (Post 11051175)
Certainly is Rich International. Just seeing those tail colours remind me of the time when at MIA and I got on to the Rich ramp in the days of the C46s and DC6s. A lovely, if by the time of the DC8s somewhat dated livery. If I recall correctly the Rich DC8s did a season operating from various UK airports, possible to Orlando?

Rich did indeed run their DC8s through various UK airports in the "early" days of Florida, generally on contract to Air Florida who did an exponential expansion across the Atlantic for a short while, until bust followed boom. Air Florida only had DC-10s for long haul, so contracted them in on thinner routes and/or in the low season. Like most US charter/supplemental long haulers, much of Rich's work came from the US military, such as over to Germany. They later moved on to Tristars.

GB Airways, from Gibraltar ("Gibair"), had long had a close association with BA, leasing one of their Viscounts for the hop across the straits, but suddenly developed a substantial operation out of Gatwick, firstly to Gibraltar of course, and then both schedules and charters to various Mediterranean points. They were an early BA franchise operator, in BA full colours, and later moved on from 737s to a substantial A320 fleet. I believe they never made any money from it (bit of a Gatwick recurring story), and the owners eventually sold out to Easyjet.

Midwest Air Charter were a US operator for the overnight package companies, they used Caravelles, no cargo door, on the work. Built up quite a fleet but didn't last too long. I would guess one coming over the Atlantic was coming for a maintenance check. Caravelles would come through Gatwick from time to time, but not too many. SATA from Switzerland were a regular with student charters, Aviaco and Transeuropa both did work, especially cheap overnights, for the Intasun/Goodman business which was left over from Air Europe - Transeuropa had a couple of the very rare Caravelle 11R with a big forward cargo door, which they stripped the seats from in the off season when no holiday passengers were offered to bring in cargo, in particular early Spring potatoes from the Canary Islands. Potatoes airfreighted in a Caravelle ? No, I am not making this up :)

dixi188 25th May 2021 22:01

Arkia from Israel used to overnight at Gatwick about '81 or '82 with 737-200s. They had a vortex destroyer pipe below the engine intake for operation from unpaved runways. For security they were parked outside BCAL hangars.

jetstream7 25th May 2021 22:42

A few more airlines from the 1980s...

Aerotour from France - a couple of 737-200 for a just a few months in 1980
Air Sul from Portugal - started operations at the very end of 1989 with a 737 leased from Britannia AW
Eagle Air of Iceland - several aircraft flown at various points from 1982 onwards, including leasing to Britannia AW
Rotterdam Airlines from Holland - another short lived airline, but unsure whether they were mostly scheduled or charter
Transwede from Sweden - used 737s from 1989

If we're including Turkey, then there are the following
Istanbul Airlines (a single 737-400 ! - does this count?)
Sultan Air

There may be more out there...


Flightrider 25th May 2021 22:43

Paramount ended up with both of the AmberAir 737-200s and their own 737-300 (G-PATE) which was based at Newcastle. They had four MD83s as well in that final year in which their bank account was emptied and ILG had to prop them up to complete the summer flying programme rather than see the airline collapse mid-way through the summer.

GB Airways leased a 737 from Britannia for a weekly Gibraltar flight for many years through the mid 1980s before they obtained their own 737-200s and the relationship with BA really moved on. It made substantial money for a few years but the timing of the sale by Bland Group to easyJet was probably one of the better outcomes in aviation history for airline owners. They got out at a good time just before the market chaos, fuel prices and mass bankruptcies that followed in 2008. It was certainly one of the more astute pieces of Gatwick history, especially when compared to the likes of BIA turning down a take-over offer from Air Europe largely based on the value of Gatwick slots, only for BIA to fail within 18 months.



Sotonsean 26th May 2021 01:17


Originally Posted by OvertHawk (Post 11051146)
Was Peach Air not a reincarnation of Sabre after they went bust?

Remember Sabre then Peach doing bucket and spade flights from NWI in the mid/late 90's.

Seemed to have a habit of pitching up with u/s APU's thus requiring air starts from the ground rig.

To answer your question....No Peach Air was not a reincarnation of Sabre.

Peach Air started operations in 1997 and was taken over by JMC Airlines in 1999.

Peach Air operated four aircraft, two Boeing 737-200 and two Lockheed L1011, none of which saw further flying with JMC Airlines.

Sabre started operations in 1994 and was taken over by Excel Airways in 2001.

Sabre Airlines two original Boeing 737-200 aircraft which were both leased went onto Peach Air in 1997. The two Boeing 737-200 in question were, G-SBEA delivered in April 1997 and G-SBEB delivered in January 1997.

Sabre operated Boeing 727-200, Boeing 737-200, Boeing 737-800, but not simultaneously.
Sabre was the first UK airline to operate the Boeing 737-800 with the initial aircraft being delivered to the airline in January 2000.

Sotonsean 26th May 2021 01:38


Originally Posted by Mooncrest (Post 11049705)
Maybe not Sabena but certainly Sobelair, their charter associate. Should also mention Caledonian, British Airtours' successor. I don't know if Air France and Lufthansa ever involved themselves with this sort of business, likely leaving it to the likes of Air Charter, Euralair and Condor.

I did fly on an Olympic 732 to Heraklion in 1990...but only from Athens. I don't know if this fleet ventured beyond the south east Mediterranean.

Olympic Airways certainly operated their Boeing 737-200's beyond the south east Mediterranean.

In the early to mid eighties when Olympic Airways withdrew their fleet of Boeing 720's the airline operated their Boeing 737-200 aircraft on the summer only schedule from London Heathrow to Thessaloniki. At the same time Olympic Airways also flew a summer seasonal scheduled flight from London Heathrow to Corfu which was operated by their Airbus A300's.

Olympic Airways Boeing 737's we're often seen at northern European airports such as Amsterdam, Frankfurt, Geneva, London Heathrow, Paris CDG.

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....828d18857e.jpg
Olympic Airways Boeing 737-284 SX-BCI at London Heathrow Airport in July 1986.

SpringHeeledJack 26th May 2021 12:15


A few B737-200 Gatwick photos from late 70's to early 80's. The Air Liberia one would probably not be called a "holiday jet".
Back then it was a different place, the instability that has plagued Liberia since the early 80's wasn't in full swing and the class with money and power still had it relatively good. I met a black English DJ in a hotel disco in Bangkok in 85, who had just come from a 6-month stint in the top nightclub in Monrovia and he said it was amazing, a crazy place for party people. Perhaps the Air Liberia flights were bringing adventurous travellers out during the season. All the same, that's a long flight in a 737.

Pat UK 26th May 2021 12:29

Dassault Mercures would have been operating to/from the French Mediterranean

SpringHeeledJack 26th May 2021 13:56

They did do some flights into LHR subbing for Air France here and there, but Air Inter's Mercure aircraft did the Paris Orly-Nice and Marseille routes until the A300's took over. These were just internal trunk routes rather than holiday flights. I flew in one a bit later between Paris Orly and Avignon just before they were retired and sent out to various museums.

SWBKCB 26th May 2021 14:03


Originally Posted by jetstream7 (Post 11051416)
A few more airlines from the 1980s...

Aerotour from France - a couple of 737-200 for a just a few months in 1980
Air Sul from Portugal - started operations at the very end of 1989 with a 737 leased from Britannia AW
Eagle Air of Iceland - several aircraft flown at various points from 1982 onwards, including leasing to Britannia AW
Rotterdam Airlines from Holland - another short lived airline, but unsure whether they were mostly scheduled or charter
Transwede from Sweden - used 737s from 1989

If we're including Turkey, then there are the following
Istanbul Airlines (a single 737-400 ! - does this count?)
Sultan Air

There may be more out there...

Abelag and Air Belgium - or were they one and the same?!

WHBM 26th May 2021 18:08


Originally Posted by SpringHeeledJack (Post 11051820)
They did do some flights into LHR subbing for Air France here and there, but Air Inter's Mercure aircraft did the Paris Orly-Nice and Marseille routes until the A300's took over. These were just internal trunk routes rather than holiday flights. I flew in one a bit later between Paris Orly and Avignon just before they were retired and sent out to various museums.

They also operated, around 1989, an Air France-badged/coded route from Paris to Gatwick. Given that they had the JT8D off the 737-200 and slightly looked like an oversized one as well, they possibly qualify for a peripheral mention here.

Might be their only international schedule for the grand fleet of 10 outside France. When Airbus first wanted to do the A320 there were several doubters who pointed to the Mercure and said it was the same size and would have the same sales fate.

You know the rest ...

SpringHeeledJack 26th May 2021 18:32


Might be their only international schedule for the grand fleet of 10 outside France.
You might well be correct, but I have the inkling that they 'might' have been used on the Paris-Brussels and Paris-Geneva routes at one time. The Geneva route would've been technically an internal flight as it would have landed and taxied to the French side of the terminal. I liked the Mercure and subsequent visits to museums where they are resident, including internal tours, showed they were ahead of their time. Almost like the French Trident/VC-10 in respect of it's international appeal.

Arthur Bellcrank 26th May 2021 20:03

Palm Air still used a 737-200 based at Hurn up to November 2008. Operated mainly to the Med, They later used a Astraeus -500 up to the point that they stopped trading in Oct 2010.

Pat UK 27th May 2021 02:02

Aerosvit were still operating a B737-200, which would have served some Mediterranean destinations, until their bankruptcy in 2013.

slowjet 27th May 2021 09:28

What a thread and what a drift, got me thinking of KLM DC4 but, Mooncrest, Air Florida XL also did a stint with Air Europe in, around 1984. Without log-book check, I think I would have flown it a few times and a mate of mine did the ferry trip over from Miami, via Goose to LGW at the start of the summer season. Didn't it crash with the icing problem in some river back in the USA after seeing time on the UK IT network summers ?

treadigraph 27th May 2021 09:49

N62AF was the Potomac River crash Air Florida 737 - an ex United -222, I don't think it ever operated in Europe.

Mooncrest 27th May 2021 09:59

IIRC, the Air Florida 732s that Air Europe and Dan Air borrowed were both the -2T4 variant.

rog747 27th May 2021 12:03

737-200 holiday jets 70's/80's
 
737-200 charter jets

Air UK Leisure started with some -200's
I think GB Airways Leisure was mentioned
MEY AIR
TEA
TEA UK
Air Berlin USA
Luxair

Later years I think - all French... still using -200's
Euralair
aigle azur
corsair
ACI
EAS
Air Toulouse






TCU 27th May 2021 14:24


Originally Posted by treadigraph (Post 11052319)
N62AF was the Potomac River crash Air Florida 737 - an ex United -222, I don't think it ever operated in Europe.

COPA flight 201, a Boeing 737-204Adv, which crashed on 6th June 1992, was ex-Britannia G-BGYL, which would have carried many thousands of us on bucket and spade and snow plough runs before its untimely dive into the Panamanian jungle. I flew on her 10.02.83 LTN - GVA on my last school ski-trip (back on BFVB)

WHBM 27th May 2021 15:43


Originally Posted by rog747 (Post 11052408)
Air UK Leisure started with some -200's

Like a number of the "captive" holiday flight divisions of mainstream carriers, they did substitute operations for their parent, especially in the off season.

I recall being at Stansted for an AirUK 146 to Edinburgh. This particular day it was being operated by one of their 737s. They must have had a separate AOC, and CAA rules require that pax are specifically told which AOC they are on. So there was a stack of leaflets to this effect being handed out at check-in, written in rather poor aviationese. In front of me were an elderly couple, also for Edinburgh. "Yeah, to Edinburgh, yeah. It's a Leisure flight today, yeah ...". Which of course was all complete double-dutch to them.

rog747 27th May 2021 16:36


Originally Posted by WHBM (Post 11052497)
Like a number of the "captive" holiday flight divisions of mainstream carriers, they did substitute operations for their parent, especially in the off season.

I recall being at Stansted for an AirUK 146 to Edinburgh. This particular day it was being operated by one of their 737s. They must have had a separate AOC, and CAA rules require that pax are specifically told which AOC they are on.

Yes I guess so as Air UK leisure was a joint venture with the parent Co. Air UK, and with Viking (a seat broker)
In addition the 767-300ER purchase was a Unijet collaboration and these 767's never carried Air UK Leisure titles - They were just Leisure, when in 1993 the airline introduced two leased Boeing 767-300ER aircraft on behalf of tour operator Unijet.

Leisure International Airways
In 1996 the airline was completely sold to Unijet and was renamed Leisure International Airways and moved its main base to LGW.





Flightrider 27th May 2021 18:53

There was a full winter season where the scheduled AirUK early morning LGW-EDI-GLA-LGW circular flight was operated by an Air UK Leisure 737 (which I think was a -400 by then) before it set off to the Canaries or wherever at about 1100.

Going back to an earlier topic, I've checked the schedule books for NCL for 1985 and 1988 and can find no record of BA operating IT charters overnight from there - which was what I thought. They were doing this from MAN, GLA, BFS and to a lesser extent EDI but there were no regular BA charters shown ex NCL. In 1985, the NCL-LHR service was a 737-200 on the Newcastle nightstop and a mix of 737-200s and 1-11-500s plus a Trident 3 each afternoon. By 1988 it was a 757 on the nightstop and evening up & back (where the Trident 3 used to be) and still 737-200s and 1-11-500s on the rest. Newcastle was one of the few (only?0 BA domestic destinations to regularly see the A320s and also the four 737-300s which BA leased from Maersk for a couple of years around 1990-1992.



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