Lufthansa L-1649A "Super Star" Project Alive and Well
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The Lufthansa Starliner Project is well on track.
Here are a few links. http://http://superstar.lufthansa.com/en/restoration/high-tech.html http://https://www.lufthansa-technik.com/super-star-news http://gaahf.org/constellation/ http://http://www.conniesurvivors.com/1-lufthansa_starliner_update-2016.htm Lufthansa Lockheed L-1649A Super Star Restoration - Part 2 They seem to have a lot of great sponsors onboard too. |
A truly magnificent rebuild. The thoroughness and quality is what I had seen years earlier working on Lufthansa aircraft. I worked the L-1649A while with Lockheed Air Service at KIDL /KJFK. Their Super Star'ssystems differed from the L-1049 Connies. The dual 3000-psi hydraulic system apparently borrowed some features from th L-188 Electra. It certainly leaked a lot less than the old 1700-psi system on the Connies. The engines and their QEC were basically identical to late model Connies although they had a higher prop reduction gear ratio and a different prop. The 150-foot wingspan required more care when towing.
However it certainly was the most beautiful of aircraft when one climbed away and then banked and you saw that long, thin wing. Again, kudos to Lufthansa for a wonderful job. |
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Modern looking NAV suite. Looks like they will be able to fit right into the RNAV world.
http://http://gaahf.org/2015/04/30/a-new-flightdeck-for-the-super-star/ |
Originally Posted by 2csonTriple7
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Modern looking NAV suite.
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bafanguy. You may be right; it would be great to see it with the old panels. However, they would never get it past the regulators if they want to carry passengers. Quite apart from the question of where the navs and engineers would come from. I assume it's going to be certificated for two-crew ops.
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Originally Posted by Herod
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I assume it's going to be certificated for two-crew ops.
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Originally Posted by 2csonTriple7
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The Lufthansa Starliner Project is well on track
It would be even more reassuring if any of the the links in your post contained progress reports on the restoration that are more recent than 2016. |
No 2-man ops for this Super-Complication.
The flight engineer is a must on this bird and they will usually fly with a second FE as well. |
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Try this. It's from September 2017. Is that recent enuf for-ya?
http://http://superstar.lufthansa.com/en/a-new-super-star.html |
Originally Posted by 2csonTriple7
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Try this. It's from September 2017. Is that recent enuf for-ya?
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What a wonderful project, congratulations to the team.
What a crying shame that LH management didn't see fit to duplicate this effort with the Viscount they had in their training school for c40 years+ and only recently passed on to a static museum. Full marks for setting an example to many airlines around the world. Let's hope she's finished before Air shows become extinct, round here. Be lucky David https://worldairlinenews.com/2013/10...mily-aircraft/ Viscount c/n 447 operational record |
No 2-man ops for this Super-Complication. The flight engineer is a must on this bird and they will usually fly with a second FE as well. |
This restoration is obviously a spectacular effort and project...awesome. But not "restoring" it to the state of the art when it left the factory leaves it a bit short of justice done.
These mighty airplanes deserve nothing less than respect for their origins. Isn't that why they get restored in the first place ? Regulatory authority objections ? You can pay for a ride in some restored B17s here in the US. They have round gauges. Here is a restored airplane (perhaps not the equal of the subject Connie). Notice the roundness of the gauges. It seems fitting: And perhaps F/Es are in short supply...so you make them out of energetic guys from the hangar. They've been up to their elbows in the machine and know it better than you do anyway. The young ones will be energetic enough to jump the hurdles to the license. |
Originally Posted by bafanguy
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This restoration is obviously a spectacular effort and project...awesome. But not "restoring" it to the state of the art when it left the factory leaves it a bit short of justice done.
These mighty airplanes deserve nothing less than respect for their origins. Isn't that why they get restored in the first place ? If a glass cockpit is judged to be the best way of getting another one in the air, I guess I can just about live with that. Incidentally, it's criminal that the Science Museum keep theirs locked away out of sight of the public, it's a lovely example albeit not airworthy. |
Last September I flew from Birmingham to Ljubljana via Zurich. The first sector with Swiss went fine, then after a 4 hr stopover we were taken to the Adria CRJ for the second sector, only to find that it was tits-up.
So, back to the terminal. Eventually after several hours, a light snack and a beer, we were told that a replacement aircraft had been found. So, back on the bus and off to rather a remote part of the airport. As the bus drew to a halt, I saw a triple fin tail....and it wasn't an Avro York! Surely not? We weren't really going to fly to Ljubljana in a Connie, were we? Sadly not - it was HB-RSC, the Breitling Super Constellation! Instead we were herded on to rather a grubby ATR operated by 'Darwin Airline', but how wonderful the Connie looked! I note that 'Darwin Airline' went bust a few months later - whereas the Breitling Super Constellation continues to fly! |
Glass cockpit
The glass cockpit is to enable the Connie to fly charter into any class airport. The FE panel arrangement of gauges is getting an ergonomic redesign, but will still have steam gauges.
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Originally Posted by button push ignored
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Have you seen the Condor that is going through a similar rebuild in Germany.
Absolutely stunningly unbelievable. Edit: Blimey, hadn't head of this project... Fantastic. Shame it won't fly. |
About 10 years ago, I was doing some consulting work on an Airbus programme at Bremen. My colleagues told me that there was a group of elderly folk restoring 'a Focke Wulf' in one of the workshops past which we used to walk on the way from our offices to the laboratory.
I assumed they meant an Fw190 or possibly an Fw 189, but they assured me that it was, in fact, an Fw200 Condor. Peering through the windows of the workshop didn't give many clues, but there was quite a lot of green metal worked into various shapes, so it was clear that whatever was being restored wasn't just a fable. |
Can you estimate the cost of this project. 1/ Buying three aircraft. 2/ Building a hangar. 3/ Cost to restore. 4/ Cost to maintain. Against worth of publicity gained? That said, LH Technik are using the project to train future engineers, and that obviously gives them some sort of payback. |
Originally Posted by mkenig
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The glass cockpit is to enable the Connie to fly charter into any class airport.
And leave the FE panel alone too ! := |
Lufthansa Starliner Project gets the nix
Lufthansa Board of Directors has decided to pull the plug on the Super Star (L1649A) project in Auburn, Maine. The restoration was begun in 2008 and, after spending a reported $200M on the project, the board has made the misguided decision to end the project, which was nearing completion.
Full article here. Constellation News |
Chopping off the wings can't be overly helpful to bring it back to flying condition.
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Perhaps if they had not wasted so much on a "new image" which has been roundly rejected by all who have seen it there may have been something left to complete this project. I hope either their board see, some sense or another party takes it on, Mr Cruise perhaps ?
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Breitling just ended all of it's aviation sponsoring. This leaves only Red Bull and Paul Allen to hope for.
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Ironically Lufthansa has just reported RECORD PROFITS of approx €3 billion for 2017!!!
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Originally Posted by Less Hair
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Chopping off the wings can't be overly helpful to bring it back to flying condition.
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The 1649 has a one-piece wing. If they do chop it.. well then... that's all she wrote..
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Originally Posted by 2csonTriple7
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The 1649 has a one-piece wing. If they do chop it.. well then... that's all she wrote..
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All the Connie wings from the L-49 throgh the L-1049 were attached just outboard of the fuselage to the center section wing. Don't recall how the L-1649A wing was built.
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I suspect that the poster who made that comment is getting confused by the photos of the R7V (L-1049) that's now at Townsville. |
Originally Posted by Less Hair
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No he isn't.
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The major difference between the 1049 and 1649 is the wing which was specifically designed to extend the range for the Trans Atlantic crossings.
The wing unlike all the earlier series is one piece. The only way to move the aircraft would be to separate the wing which was always transported separately during construction. Referring to the mention of FEs. The museum operator that I was with until recently, specified 2 FEs. There are emergency procedures that require moving plumbing around in the fwd holds which is accessible in flight. Also some circuit breakers down there as well. Wunwing |
although I don't have a link (yet) I have just learned that the Swiss Super Constellation (ex Breitling) has lost her caretakers association. They simply don't have the budget to maintain the aircraft. |
This link refers to the sad news that atakacs refers to.
https://www.superconstellation.org/fr/ Basically says the Flyers Association is being dissolved, decided on 23 April 2019. The 20 million CHF needed to restore HB-RSC has not been guaranteed. There is a mention that this is not definitively the end of the story and efforts continue to save the situation. Sounds a rather forlorn hope though. Laurence |
The wing is one piece with a center joint. Once joined, it is mounted under the fuselage by a small number of fittings only, fairly easy to separate again..You may call that 2 piece as well... But definitely no center wing box.The Flight global archive contains a nice multi pages report about the design of the L1649, donīt know the year by heart. |
Originally Posted by l.garey
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This link refers to the sad news that atakacs refers to.
https://www.superconstellation.org/fr/ Basically says the Flyers Association is being dissolved, decided on 23 April 2019. The 20 million CHF needed to restore HB-RSC has not been guaranteed. There is a mention that this is not definitively the end of the story and efforts continue to save the situation. Sounds a rather forlorn hope though. During the initial investigation it turned out that there was substantial corrosion inside the wings as recovered post accident. This prompted a review of all vintage aircrafts in Switzerland, including the Connie. And low and behold it turns out that she would also need a substantial restoration which was not really planed till then. |
Good news: apparently HB-RSC has found a new home ! Let's hope they can indeed restore it to flight worthy.
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Thanks for that potentially good news, atakacs. I can't open the link you posted. Can you check it? Thanks
Laurence |
Originally Posted by l.garey
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Thanks for that potentially good news, atakacs. I can't open the link you posted. Can you check it? Thanks
Laurence |
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