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Lufthansa L-1649A "Super Star" Project Alive and Well

Old 17th Dec 2017, 22:46
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Lufthansa L-1649A "Super Star" Project Alive and Well

The Lufthansa Starliner Project is well on track.
Here are a few links.

http://http://superstar.lufthansa.com/en/restoration/high-tech.html

http://https://www.lufthansa-technik.com/super-star-news

http://gaahf.org/constellation/

http://http://www.conniesurvivors.com/1-lufthansa_starliner_update-2016.htm

Lufthansa Lockheed L-1649A Super Star Restoration - Part 2


They seem to have a lot of great sponsors onboard too.
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A truly magnificent rebuild. The thoroughness and quality is what I had seen years earlier working on Lufthansa aircraft. I worked the L-1649A while with Lockheed Air Service at KIDL /KJFK. Their Super Star'ssystems differed from the L-1049 Connies. The dual 3000-psi hydraulic system apparently borrowed some features from th L-188 Electra. It certainly leaked a lot less than the old 1700-psi system on the Connies. The engines and their QEC were basically identical to late model Connies although they had a higher prop reduction gear ratio and a different prop. The 150-foot wingspan required more care when towing.
However it certainly was the most beautiful of aircraft when one climbed away and then banked and you saw that long, thin wing. Again, kudos to Lufthansa for a wonderful job.
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Modern looking NAV suite. Looks like they will be able to fit right into the RNAV world.

http://http://gaahf.org/2015/04/30/a-new-flightdeck-for-the-super-star/
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Originally Posted by 2csonTriple7 View Post
Modern looking NAV suite.
ABSOLUTE HERESY !!!
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bafanguy. You may be right; it would be great to see it with the old panels. However, they would never get it past the regulators if they want to carry passengers. Quite apart from the question of where the navs and engineers would come from. I assume it's going to be certificated for two-crew ops.
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Originally Posted by Herod View Post
I assume it's going to be certificated for two-crew ops.
WILL THE HERESY NEVER END ?
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Originally Posted by 2csonTriple7 View Post
The Lufthansa Starliner Project is well on track
That's good to hear.

It would be even more reassuring if any of the the links in your post contained progress reports on the restoration that are more recent than 2016.
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No 2-man ops for this Super-Complication.
The flight engineer is a must on this bird and they will usually fly with a second FE as well.
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Try this. It's from September 2017. Is that recent enuf for-ya?

http://http://superstar.lufthansa.com/en/a-new-super-star.html

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Originally Posted by 2csonTriple7 View Post
Try this. It's from September 2017. Is that recent enuf for-ya?
Yes, that's more like it. Thanks.
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What a wonderful project, congratulations to the team.
What a crying shame that LH management didn't see fit to duplicate this effort with the Viscount they had in their training school for c40 years+ and only recently passed on to a static museum.
Full marks for setting an example to many airlines around the world.
Let's hope she's finished before Air shows become extinct, round here.
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Viscount c/n 447 operational record

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No 2-man ops for this Super-Complication.
The flight engineer is a must on this bird and they will usually fly with a second FE as well.
Of course. Sloppy thinking on my part. Too many hours on jets.
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This restoration is obviously a spectacular effort and project...awesome. But not "restoring" it to the state of the art when it left the factory leaves it a bit short of justice done.

These mighty airplanes deserve nothing less than respect for their origins. Isn't that why they get restored in the first place ?

Regulatory authority objections ? You can pay for a ride in some restored B17s here in the US. They have round gauges.

Here is a restored airplane (perhaps not the equal of the subject Connie). Notice the roundness of the gauges. It seems fitting:





And perhaps F/Es are in short supply...so you make them out of energetic guys from the hangar. They've been up to their elbows in the machine and know it better than you do anyway. The young ones will be energetic enough to jump the hurdles to the license.

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Originally Posted by bafanguy View Post
This restoration is obviously a spectacular effort and project...awesome. But not "restoring" it to the state of the art when it left the factory leaves it a bit short of justice done.

These mighty airplanes deserve nothing less than respect for their origins. Isn't that why they get restored in the first place ?
I'm ambivalent about that. Happily, I'm old enough to have seen Connies (well C-121s) flying while they were still in USN service, and I enjoyed the display by one at Farnborough a few years back.

If a glass cockpit is judged to be the best way of getting another one in the air, I guess I can just about live with that.

Incidentally, it's criminal that the Science Museum keep theirs locked away out of sight of the public, it's a lovely example albeit not airworthy.
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Last September I flew from Birmingham to Ljubljana via Zurich. The first sector with Swiss went fine, then after a 4 hr stopover we were taken to the Adria CRJ for the second sector, only to find that it was tits-up.

So, back to the terminal. Eventually after several hours, a light snack and a beer, we were told that a replacement aircraft had been found.

So, back on the bus and off to rather a remote part of the airport. As the bus drew to a halt, I saw a triple fin tail....and it wasn't an Avro York! Surely not? We weren't really going to fly to Ljubljana in a Connie, were we?

Sadly not - it was HB-RSC, the Breitling Super Constellation! Instead we were herded on to rather a grubby ATR operated by 'Darwin Airline', but how wonderful the Connie looked!

I note that 'Darwin Airline' went bust a few months later - whereas the Breitling Super Constellation continues to fly!
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Glass cockpit

The glass cockpit is to enable the Connie to fly charter into any class airport. The FE panel arrangement of gauges is getting an ergonomic redesign, but will still have steam gauges.
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Have you seen the Condor that is going through a similar rebuild in Germany.
Absolutely stunningly unbelievable.
Condor? As in FW? Really...?

Edit: Blimey, hadn't head of this project... Fantastic. Shame it won't fly.
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About 10 years ago, I was doing some consulting work on an Airbus programme at Bremen. My colleagues told me that there was a group of elderly folk restoring 'a Focke Wulf' in one of the workshops past which we used to walk on the way from our offices to the laboratory.

I assumed they meant an Fw190 or possibly an Fw 189, but they assured me that it was, in fact, an Fw200 Condor.

Peering through the windows of the workshop didn't give many clues, but there was quite a lot of green metal worked into various shapes, so it was clear that whatever was being restored wasn't just a fable.
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Can you estimate the cost of this project.
1/ Buying three aircraft.
2/ Building a hangar.
3/ Cost to restore.
4/ Cost to maintain.
Against worth of publicity gained?
Thankfully it isn't always about the money.

That said, LH Technik are using the project to train future engineers, and that obviously gives them some sort of payback.
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The glass cockpit is to enable the Connie to fly charter into any class airport.
So without the fancy-shmancy nav gear, this spectacular flying machine would be denied entry to some airports in the EU if it had original equipment (VOR/ILS etc) ?

And leave the FE panel alone too !
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