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DaveReidUK 3rd Feb 2015 18:25

Assuming that you mean Albany, NY, I'm not aware of any military connection that would account for all those USAF aircraft lying around the field.

Nor can I find any historical photos of it with that distinctive hangar.

DougGordon 3rd Feb 2015 18:56

I think the F-100C is FW-954 of the 4510th Combat Crew Training Wing based at Luke AFB AZ in 1958. It is the wing commanders aircraft wearing the fuselage stripes of each of the five squadrons.

DaveReidUK 3rd Feb 2015 22:39


Originally Posted by DougGordon (Post 8852340)
I think the F-100C is FW-954 of the 4510th Combat Crew Training Wing based at Luke AFB AZ in 1958. It is the wing commanders aircraft wearing the fuselage stripes of each of the five squadrons.

We've already established that it's 54-1753.

Both the serial and the buzz number FW-753 are clearly visible in the hi-res version of the photo (see link in the very first post).

DougGordon 4th Feb 2015 06:28

Apologies! I paid more attention to the markings and didn't see the buzz no clearly.
Back to the drawing board as far as the markings are concerned.
However, the markings seem to be the same. I can't find a match anywhere else.
Can anyone read the name on the nose?
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DaveReidUK 4th Feb 2015 07:35


Can anyone read the name on the nose?
"F-100C 41753 was named and christened "Susan Constant" by Mrs. W.S. Morrison, wife of the Speaker of England's House of Commons, in London on May 12, 1957, in commemoration of the 350th anniversary of the founding of Jamestown, Virginia."

And from Wikipedia: Susan Constant, captained by Christopher Newport, was the largest of three ships of the English Virginia Company (the others being Discovery and Godspeed) on the 1606-1607 voyage that resulted in the founding of Jamestown in the new Colony of Virginia.

DougGordon 4th Feb 2015 08:14

Thank you Dave for keeping me on my toes!
Belonged to the 452nd Fighter Day Squadron, 322nd FDW. The other two aircraft named in the UK were after the other two ships you mentioned: God Speed and Discovery.
In early May 1957 six aircraft deployed to RAF Bentwaters from Foster AFB, Texas. On the 11th May they flew to Heathrow for the ceremony on the Sunday, 12th May.
The three named aircraft left Heathrow on the 13th May and arrived at Jamestown 7h33m later, being refuelled by KB-50s of the 429th Air Refuelling Squadron en route.

DaveReidUK 4th Feb 2015 08:52


The three named aircraft left Heathrow on the 13th May and arrived at Jamestown 7h33m later, being refuelled by KB-50s of the 429th Air Refuelling Squadron en route.
I thought I recognised the Fairey hangar in your photo!

Incidentally, the other 3 F-100s overflew Jamestown and continued to Los Angeles, setting a new world distance record for single-engined aircraft of 5835 nm.

A30yoyo 4th Feb 2015 22:09

And distantly behind that the National Physical Laboratory's Ship Testing Tank at North feltham ....didn't they test the bouncing bomb design there?

Haraka 7th Feb 2015 09:11

Just looked across on the Facebook site. It looks like a couple of guys familiar with Stewart AFB in the past , one of whom at least served there, seem fairly confident that's the location of the image.
The F100C puts it certainly no earlier than 1955 and with everything else it seems not unreasonable to assume that the Pusher is likely to have been Palen's , before he wrote it off.

DaveReidUK 7th Feb 2015 14:25


It looks like a couple of guys familiar with Stewart AFB in the past , one of whom at least served there, seem fairly confident that's the location of the image.
The comment on the FB thread from the ex-ANG guy looks like it may be a reference to the photo of the F-86D and Bleriot, which isn't confirmed as being the same field as the B-57 photo.

Haraka 8th Feb 2015 10:39

I don't think so :
Looking at :
https://www.facebook.com/groups/oldr...2796148752931/

"Mike G Lockhart Maybe Stewart AFB back in the day."

January 31 at 5:14pm ·

This guy is commenting before the F86/Bleriot shot was posted . ( February 1 at 8:20am )( I.e.about the original image we were discussing - to which the following comments apply:

Gil Halpin I think Mikes Guess is correct,it does look like Stewart back in the day
February 1 at 12:49pm

LeRoy Hogan Yeah the little hill looks familiar and the old hanger. I was in the air guard on that side of the base.
February 2 at 9:35pm
In any event the OP Comments about the second shot : "Okay...Here's another view, most likely from the same show as in the original post."

I would think most folks looking at the Facebook posting would probably concur.

DaveReidUK 8th Feb 2015 13:14

I agree that the F-86 photo probably was taken at Stewart. F-86s were based there during most of the 1950s.

It appears to be taken on the old USAF ramp (now the terminal of Stewart International Airport) with Stewart's distinctive wedge-shaped hill in the background:

http://www.radomes.org/museum/photos...Stewart052.jpg

But the FB poster doesn't offer any reason for his "most likely from the same show" assertion, and neither the hill nor the hangars are the same ones as in the B-57 photo.

Haraka 8th Feb 2015 13:49

The" B-57" photo is demonstrably the one that the three posters Lockhart, Halpin, and Hogan( who himself served on the base) ,are referring to when giving their opinions regarding the likelihood of it being taken at Stewart. AFB .
The image you have helpfully provided also shows similar forestation to that visible in the background of the B-57 image.

DaveReidUK 8th Feb 2015 15:35


The image you have helpfully provided also shows similar forestation to that visible in the background of the B-57 image.
I beg to differ. The profile of the hill is different. Also, where's the hangar with the curved roof that's in the middle background of the B-57 photo?

Haraka 8th Feb 2015 16:45

Forestation is not the same as topography.
I have not evaluated the orientation of the ground photography and have insufficient detailed information to do so, as data recording the likely large changes in usage over time of whatever base this is are not in ready supply ( to me at least) The Stewart AFB suggestion comes from Americans more familiar with their country than I am. So what they do say regarding likely location seems more reasoned than, for example, suggesting a fairly arid scrub-land base in Utah, situated between high mountains and a large salt lake.
Purely from an assessment of the aircraft on site, I am sure it is post early 1955, ( the F100C) and if it is a Palen's first Curtis Pusher ( as the OP on FB has independently suggested) then that puts it as likely to be pre-1958 ,possibly backed up the presence of the SPADXIII and Avro 504.
Do note that I hold no absolute opinion yet on that Bleriot's provenance.
Lets see what develops.

DaveReidUK 8th Feb 2015 17:39


I am sure it is post early 1955, ( the F100C)
The name on the Super Sabre is visible in the photo (see previous posts), so unlikely to be any earlier than 1957.

Haraka 9th Feb 2015 04:59

I certainly wouldn't argue with 1957.
Then the gathering could be for many reasons including , just possibly the 10th anniversary of the founding of the USAF.


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