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Flybiker7000 31st Jan 2015 19:25

Plane at the far right
 
My first impulse was A/B 26 too, but judged at the undercarriage alone it can't be!
It looks much as the ridgid undercarriage of a DC3/A47 and might be such one :-/

Noyade 31st Jan 2015 19:46


Plane at the far right
Biker, are you referring to this one? Definitely not a DC-3 mate.

http://i59.tinypic.com/2dtyc82.jpg

DaveReidUK 31st Jan 2015 19:54

My money says it's Hill AFB, Utah.

Stanwell 31st Jan 2015 19:58

Yes, thanks Noyade.
The original pic was a bit indistinct - Definitely a B26 (as they were called at that time).

The reason I go for Haraka's location is that the Avro 504, Spad and Curtiss Pusher would have been Old Rheinbeck's.

renfrew 31st Jan 2015 20:01

The Facebook thread mentioned above suggests Stewart AFB which is near Old Rheinbeck.

Flybiker7000 31st Jan 2015 20:01

Giving the situation a thought:
The Super Sabre would only maintain it's hype until the presence of the starfighter in '58!
It might be some kind of jubilee, but in absence of (at least) the P-51 it can't be in connection of the second war.
If it's in connection with the first war, would the Starfighter have replaced the Super Sabre for the 40-year jubilee of the end of war late 1918.
Could it be 40-year jubilee of the outbreak of WW1 in august 1914 - Being august 1954!?

SpringHeeledJack 31st Jan 2015 20:10


Isn't that a Blackburn Beverley in the distance behind and above the RB-47?
I thought it was a French Breguet (?) fat military plane with the tricolour on the tail fin. The building behind doesn't look American and the clothing of the visitors seems very old fashioned. My enlarging of the photo pixilated the heck out of the details :}


SHJ

Flybiker7000 31st Jan 2015 20:11

Noyade: where do that resolution come from?
It's surely not a DC3 and on the high-res I can see it's the prop wich gives the impression of the sturdu DC3 undercarriage!
I vote for the A/B 26! ;-)

Noyade 31st Jan 2015 20:24


Noyade: where do that resolution come from?
There is a link to Facebook under the photo in the first post which has better resolution.

https://scontent-a-fra.xx.fbcdn.net/...93294307_o.jpg

ian16th 31st Jan 2015 20:44

This is the higher res pic returned to B&W
http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/z...%20B57%202.jpg

Stanwell 31st Jan 2015 20:45

Righto,
Of the ones in the distance, the one on the right looks like a CV340/C131, the middle one, as has been suggested, is a C119 but the one behind that has me scratching my head.


The one on the far left of the hardstand would be a B50 because of the engine.
EDIT: Or, thinking about it, more likely a C97.
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oncemorealoft 31st Jan 2015 20:55

Thanks for the higher resolution. I can now see it's definitely not a Beverley and certainly something twin boom. Noratlas or C119 I just can't tell.

But now the extra detail un-peels another layer: go above the B47's cockpit, there are four aircraft in the far distance, the one on the right, a taildragger, but the one on the left looks like it may have a swept vertical fin! What might that be?

Stanwell 31st Jan 2015 21:09

oncemore,
Sorry, I didn't pick up the one to the right of the CV340/C131 - That looks very much like a Dak to me.

SpringHeeledJack 31st Jan 2015 21:45

The twin boomer looks like a C-119 on that higher resolution photo, but the one to it's left looks like a B29 with some kind of underslung load/modification. Some kind of early AWACS testbed perhaps ?


SHJ

treadigraph 31st Jan 2015 21:50

I'd say that's definitely Cole Palen's Spad.

Background on the right, I'd say C-47, 2 C-131s and a B-50. On the left, C-119 and B-50.

Spooky 2 31st Jan 2015 22:09

I thought fore it was a Martin B26 but upon closer examination one can see that the landing gear struts are not the same.

Martin B-26 Marauder - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Stanwell 31st Jan 2015 22:16

That original image wasn't the best.
It's a North American B26 (previously and latterly, A26).

Rebuilder 1st Feb 2015 01:17

Canberra or RB57
 
The first batch of US built Canberras were virtually a copy of the British B2, not sure of the exact number but it is in the order of 74, before the rotary bomb bay, modified air brakes and underwing pylons were installed. The tandem cockpit followed shortly after.
I also believe the aircraft on the far right to be an Invader.

ICT_SLB 1st Feb 2015 05:04

Forbes Field, Topeka, KS (FOE) has an early RB-57/Canberra as a gate guardian that was part of the Combat Air Museum collection.
Warbirds and Airshows - Kansas Gate Guards I believe it came over as pattern airframe for the original Martin build. The CAM also now has a tandem-cockpit RB-57 as well.

Haraka 1st Feb 2015 06:03

The F100C seems to put the image , at its earliest, as 1955. Cole Palen didn't acquire Old Rheinbeck until 1959 , however the aircraft were reportedly stored near Poughkeepsie in NY State.( Note that the SPAD ( an XIII) and the 504 are not those examples latterly in the collection.)
Re the probable B-29 in the centre background. It might be that it has its bomb doors open
Perhaps identification of the large building on the hill in the distance could clinch the airfield's location?


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