Canberra or RB57
Found this interesting photo on Facebook.
First of all: Where could it be? Is it a Canberra or an American RB57 in the middle of the photo? http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m...ps23b00d47.jpg Credits on FB https://scontent-a-fra.xx.fbcdn.net/...93294307_o.jpg |
My bet would be an early USAF B-57. From the colour scheme possibly an RB 57A.
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British or American airfield?
Or USAF base in UK? |
Looks like an American airfield to me.
I'm having trouble identifying the aircraft on the far right - Anybody? |
OK. I'll start - A26 ?
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I thought that all of the U.S. Canberras had tandem cockpits?
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Looking again, I think you're right, Terry.
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Does this help?
http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/z...%20B57%20S.jpg I didn't think that any B-57's had the glass bomb aimers position for visual bombing. Also, could it be an Australian a/c? The RAAF Canberra's were valued in 'Nam because of their visual bombing capability. |
Does the B-47 give any hints about time and whereabouts?
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Tip tanks + nose panel = an early RB-57A, so most likely somewhere in the US
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The B57 A was almost identical to the B2 externally so - yes the early B57's did have nose glazing !
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I'd say post WW2 ;) a US base in Europe, France or Spain, though leaning towards France, early 50's.
SHJ |
Isn't that a Blackburn Beverley in the distance behind and above the RB-47?
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C119 - surely
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Presuming that the aeroplane at the front right of the picture is a Curtis Pusher replica, I would tend towards the U.S.A.
Now taking a further step. Cole Palen at Old Rheinbeck ( "Planes of Fame) in NY State had a Curtis Pusher replica as well as a flying "Spad" and "Avro 504" among others in the 50's. As , presumably these would not have made long trips together far from home, it could be that we are looking at an airfield in the North East of the U.S.A. ( near or in New York State?). |
not a uniform in sight
Many Natives in white shirts - no jackets or ties (= not UK) The F-100 seems to have a serial #4175? possibly 41753??? No F-100's seem to have had a "41" serial but there are three "-X753" 55-3753 F-100D-30-NA 55-2753 F-100D-40-NH 53-1753 F-100C-01-NA |
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Thread on FB
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=1&theater
Hope it works. |
The presence of an Avro 504 pins it down to either Australia or Canada, or somewhare close to Canada.
Planemike |
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I do think that one11 has got the 'Canberra/B57' ID right. Also the location is definitely not Australia - Haraka is closest to the money on location, IMHO. . |
Plane at the far right
My first impulse was A/B 26 too, but judged at the undercarriage alone it can't be!
It looks much as the ridgid undercarriage of a DC3/A47 and might be such one :-/ |
Plane at the far right http://i59.tinypic.com/2dtyc82.jpg |
My money says it's Hill AFB, Utah.
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Yes, thanks Noyade.
The original pic was a bit indistinct - Definitely a B26 (as they were called at that time). The reason I go for Haraka's location is that the Avro 504, Spad and Curtiss Pusher would have been Old Rheinbeck's. |
The Facebook thread mentioned above suggests Stewart AFB which is near Old Rheinbeck.
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Giving the situation a thought:
The Super Sabre would only maintain it's hype until the presence of the starfighter in '58! It might be some kind of jubilee, but in absence of (at least) the P-51 it can't be in connection of the second war. If it's in connection with the first war, would the Starfighter have replaced the Super Sabre for the 40-year jubilee of the end of war late 1918. Could it be 40-year jubilee of the outbreak of WW1 in august 1914 - Being august 1954!? |
Isn't that a Blackburn Beverley in the distance behind and above the RB-47? SHJ |
Noyade: where do that resolution come from?
It's surely not a DC3 and on the high-res I can see it's the prop wich gives the impression of the sturdu DC3 undercarriage! I vote for the A/B 26! ;-) |
Noyade: where do that resolution come from? https://scontent-a-fra.xx.fbcdn.net/...93294307_o.jpg |
This is the higher res pic returned to B&W
http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/z...%20B57%202.jpg |
Righto,
Of the ones in the distance, the one on the right looks like a CV340/C131, the middle one, as has been suggested, is a C119 but the one behind that has me scratching my head. The one on the far left of the hardstand would be a B50 because of the engine. EDIT: Or, thinking about it, more likely a C97. . |
Thanks for the higher resolution. I can now see it's definitely not a Beverley and certainly something twin boom. Noratlas or C119 I just can't tell.
But now the extra detail un-peels another layer: go above the B47's cockpit, there are four aircraft in the far distance, the one on the right, a taildragger, but the one on the left looks like it may have a swept vertical fin! What might that be? |
oncemore,
Sorry, I didn't pick up the one to the right of the CV340/C131 - That looks very much like a Dak to me. |
The twin boomer looks like a C-119 on that higher resolution photo, but the one to it's left looks like a B29 with some kind of underslung load/modification. Some kind of early AWACS testbed perhaps ?
SHJ |
I'd say that's definitely Cole Palen's Spad.
Background on the right, I'd say C-47, 2 C-131s and a B-50. On the left, C-119 and B-50. |
I thought fore it was a Martin B26 but upon closer examination one can see that the landing gear struts are not the same.
Martin B-26 Marauder - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia |
That original image wasn't the best.
It's a North American B26 (previously and latterly, A26). |
Canberra or RB57
The first batch of US built Canberras were virtually a copy of the British B2, not sure of the exact number but it is in the order of 74, before the rotary bomb bay, modified air brakes and underwing pylons were installed. The tandem cockpit followed shortly after.
I also believe the aircraft on the far right to be an Invader. |
Forbes Field, Topeka, KS (FOE) has an early RB-57/Canberra as a gate guardian that was part of the Combat Air Museum collection.
Warbirds and Airshows - Kansas Gate Guards I believe it came over as pattern airframe for the original Martin build. The CAM also now has a tandem-cockpit RB-57 as well. |
The F100C seems to put the image , at its earliest, as 1955. Cole Palen didn't acquire Old Rheinbeck until 1959 , however the aircraft were reportedly stored near Poughkeepsie in NY State.( Note that the SPAD ( an XIII) and the 504 are not those examples latterly in the collection.)
Re the probable B-29 in the centre background. It might be that it has its bomb doors open Perhaps identification of the large building on the hill in the distance could clinch the airfield's location? |
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