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Ian Burgess-Barber 10th Mar 2015 12:13

Hero of Midway
 
Is it a Douglas SBD Dauntless?

sycamore 10th Mar 2015 14:50

Douglas Devastator...?

India Four Two 10th Mar 2015 15:37

This is fun ;)

I don't think Sycamore could possibly have been anywhere near this aircraft.

Just to add to the confusion, neither the Dauntless, Devastator or Helldiver have one of the key identifying features of this aircraft: tricycle gear :E

sycamore 10th Mar 2015 19:50

Think you`ve got it there,Jenks....be interested to see how they did the cat-strop arrangement on an early n/w aircraft....

India Four Two 10th Mar 2015 21:52

JENKINS,

Good sleuthing but up the wrong alley. Fascinating is right, because I'd never heard of the Douglas BTD Destroyer either!

My aircraft was designed by Grumman.

Kitbag 10th Mar 2015 22:52

Well I thought Jenkins had that. I'm struggling; as far as I can find the first single engine tricycle equipped carrier borne Grumman was the Panther, yet this cockpit is nothing like the Panther, especially the rake of the windscreen which is more reminiscent of the Wildcat/Hellcat series but obviously those were tail wheel ac.
Can't wait to find out what this is!

India Four Two 10th Mar 2015 23:18

I've got one more clue up my sleeve, but I'll re-state the last one, which was carefully worded.

"My aircraft was designed by Grumman."

oldpax 11th Mar 2015 01:07

Grumman
 
Was it a Northrop product?

India Four Two 11th Mar 2015 01:41

oldpax,

Not Northrop.

asw28-866 11th Mar 2015 04:51

Fireball?
 
So glad to see this venerable thread active once again :D

Tried to follow the various clues and rebuttals...

Could it be the RYAN FR Fireball?

'866

Noyade 11th Mar 2015 11:58

Columbia XJL?

oldpax 11th Mar 2015 12:38

I will give it a go!!
 
T-34 Mentor?

India Four Two 11th Mar 2015 15:43

866,
Fireball - another obscure aircraft I had never heard of, but not right.

Noyade is correct - the Columbia XJL-1, which I had also never heard of until a couple of months ago.

Designed by Grumman as a Duck replacement and built by Columbia, who were already building Ducks. Only three were built. Ordered in 1942, but the first flight was not until 1946 and the project was cancelled in 1948.

My next clue was going to be "Murphy's War Part Deux". The XJL is sometimes referred to as the Monoplane Duck.

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c3...psej5rnt0g.jpg

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c3...psdg2tkvct.jpg

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c3...pswgfrj5vp.jpg

This one is being slowly rebuilt after a crash landing at Camp Pendleton following an engine failure. Due to very poor glide ratio, the aircraft undershot. The right gear was torn off, the forward part of the hull broke off and the aircraft ended up inverted. Luckily there were no fatalities. Grumman Ironworks lives up to its reputation again!

An interesting feature is a circular water-tight hatch in the hull, aft of the step, which leads into a small passenger compartment, below the rear cockpit. Designed to allow divers/special forces to easily enter the water.

A very good history here: http://www.goodall.com.au/grumman-am...olumbiaXJL.pdf

Noyade has control.

India Four Two 11th Mar 2015 17:10


Murphy would have clinched it. Flying for the film must have been fun. Don't think it was Sycamore.
It was Frank Tallman flying the Duck, although I've seen a quote from Peter O'Toole saying that he was at the controls in some shots. Murphy's Duck is now at the USAF Museum in Dayton.

Rosevidney1 11th Mar 2015 19:31

I saw one some years ago at Tucson airport. A strange looking beast!

India Four Two 11th Mar 2015 20:33

The one in Tuscon is the only other one left. The third airframe was used for structural tests and was scrapped.

Noyade 11th Mar 2015 20:46

Only solved due to your clues mate. Thanks Simon.


never heard of until a couple of months ago.
Like this one. I found it illustrated, believe it or not, in a children's book, "Aircraft in Colour", in a Melbourne Salvation Army opportunity shop. It doesn't show the flight controls, but I don't think there are many to speak of anyway. It's a replica that flew in 1968...

http://i62.tinypic.com/vwzcx4.jpg

Noyade 12th Mar 2015 20:28

The full illustration then. From the USA.

http://i61.tinypic.com/10iatl1.jpg

India Four Two 13th Mar 2015 01:06

The picture looks very familiar, but I can't remember where I saw it.

Kitbag 13th Mar 2015 16:17

Is it a relative of this early Morane Saulnier?

http://thumbs2.picclick.com/d/l400/p...RLY-K87295.jpg


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