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cj241101 27th Sep 2016 13:07


Originally Posted by LTNman (Post 9522273)
Pointing nose out is a BEA Trident. I thought they had autoland abilities.

At a guess either the autoland was inop or one of the crew wasn't currently trained for autoland. Having just typed this, a quick look in the anorak log has 15 Tridents diverted in total so maybe there was another reason. I don't know the landing capabilities of the autoland equipped Tridents but I doubt it was better than the current ILS Cat 3A limit of 200m RVR touchdown, so perhaps the LHR vis was below that.

vintage ATCO 27th Sep 2016 13:21

A number of ducks have to be in a row for autoland, or Cat IIIA/B as we now call it. Both crew qualified and current, aircraft systems on line, all required ground equipment and lighting serviceable. Take any one duck out and it cannot happen. Not sure of the state of play of Heathrow's kit back in 1975.

Incidentally, Luton was the first airport where the technical services were not operated by NATS to go CAT III in 1989 or 90. We sweated blood.

Edit: cj beat me to it. Wiki suggests the Trident fleet went from Cat IIIA to IIIB in 1975 so we are talking of 75m RVR touchdown.

dixi188 27th Sep 2016 13:26

For the Trident I think all three flight crew would have to be Cat III qualified.

LTNman 27th Sep 2016 14:35

Were all the Trident variants autoland capable or just the later types?

Allan Lupton 27th Sep 2016 16:05


Originally Posted by LTNman (Post 9522404)
Were all the Trident variants autoland capable or just the later types?

Since all the work was done on Trident 1 aeroplanes and it was certificated before the other variants entered service it is fair to say that all Trident marks could have been fitted with autoland. Not all examples were, of course, and I'd say it was not Cat IIIC on all those that had autoland.
Here's the famous 1968 film with Jimmy Phillips talking to the camera while the aeroplane gets on with a landing:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6ilhtHLqOI

Tempsford 27th Sep 2016 17:23

OY-APU leased to Monarch from Maersk as G-BBZG from 02-02-74 to 12-12-75. The aircraft then returned to Maersk. That would tally with the December 75 date for the photo.
Temps.

compton3bravo 27th Sep 2016 19:25

Looks like a SABENA 737-200 pointed out also.

LTNman 28th Sep 2016 19:48

Here is another photo taken on the same day. Noted is another DC8 performing short haul duties but this one seems shorter than the KML example on the last page. The small size might be an optical illusion due to what seems like large well spaced windows so there is less of them compared to the 737 behind it. I always assumed the DC8 was built for long haul.

http://i1320.photobucket.com/albums/...ps6pnifwju.jpg
David Gearing collection

DaveReidUK 28th Sep 2016 20:22


Originally Posted by LTNman (Post 9523958)
Noted is another DC8 performing short haul duties but this one seems shorter than the KML example on the last page. The small size might be an optical illusion due to what seems like large well spaced windows so there is less of them compared to the 737 behind it. I always assumed the DC8 was built for long haul.

Alitalia's DC-8s were mostly Series 40 (as is the one on the photo).

So were most of KLMs. but the one in the earlier photo is a Series 63, stretched by nearly 40 feet compared to the Series 40.

cj241101 28th Sep 2016 20:47


Originally Posted by DaveReidUK (Post 9523990)
Alitalia's DC-8s were mostly Series 40 (as is the one on the photo).

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The DC-8-40's were powered by the Rolls Royce Conway engines, which links nicely with the aircraft climbing away in the background with the same powerplant - a VC-10 of the RAF, probably operating a trooping flight.

KLM DC-8's were 30, 50 and 63 series. Only Air Canada and Canadian Pacific bought the 40 series apart from Alitalia, with the US carriers remaining faithful to the P&W engines.

DaveReidUK 28th Sep 2016 22:08


Originally Posted by cj241101 (Post 9524015)
KLM DC-8's were 30, 50 and 63 series. Only Air Canada and Canadian Pacific bought the 40 series apart from Alitalia, with the US carriers remaining faithful to the P&W engines.

You're right, my mistake, KLM had the 30 and 50 whereas Alitalia had the 40 (all dimensionally identical).

cj241101 28th Sep 2016 22:16


Originally Posted by Tempsford (Post 9522639)
OY-APU leased to Monarch from Maersk as G-BBZG from 02-02-74 to 12-12-75. The aircraft then returned to Maersk. That would tally with the December 75 date for the photo.
Temps.

If you zoom in on the registration in the picture the original identity N736US can be read indicating its Northwest Orient ancestry.

dixi188 29th Sep 2016 05:30

As it is a diversion day, would the VC-10 be BA?
Note the height of the VC-10. Not many aircraft would be that high so soon, very good short field performance when on a light weight positioning flight to Heathrow.

Tempsford 29th Sep 2016 07:45

Up on the Ponderosa there is G-BCBA B720-023B in Invicta colors. This a/c went to Air Nuigini in Feb 16. It returned to the UK in 1977 and then operated for Monarch.

Falcon666 29th Sep 2016 08:32

What airline is the one behind the BMA viscount with the tail sticking out?
Looks like a dc-9
Great to see the old Aer Lingus decals or as the would say now Retro!!

dixi188 29th Sep 2016 09:46

I make the line of aircraft:-

DC-8 Alitalia
B737 Aer Lingus
Trident BA
B737 Aer Lingus
Viscount BA
DC-9 Alitalia
Trident BA
BAC 1-11 BA
B720 Invicta
BAC 1-11 unknown

Also, an Aero Commander, something small and a Cessna twin on the left.

compton3bravo 29th Sep 2016 13:18

I would hazard a guess the 1-11 is Monarch with the yellow and black cheatlines with monarch titling all in lower case on that tailplane. I

Spiney Norman 29th Sep 2016 13:22

I believe the furthest BAC111 may be a Monarch aircraft.

Oops too late. Compton spotted it already!

LTNman 1st Oct 2016 18:18

This is the last of the photos taken on 15 December 1995
http://i1320.photobucket.com/albums/...psrorp3atx.jpg
David Gearing collection

wallp 2nd Oct 2016 14:46

1995? Presume 1975?


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