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LTNman 18th Sep 2016 13:04

You can download the report from here https://www.gov.uk/aaib-reports/13-1...f-21-june-1974 The report also stated that the aircraft took out the ILS localiser aerial which was located 168m (550ft) from the end of the runway.

wallp 18th Sep 2016 16:12


Originally Posted by LTNman (Post 9511695)
You can download the report from here https://www.gov.uk/aaib-reports/13-1...f-21-june-1974 The report also stated that the aircraft took out the ILS localiser aerial which was located 168m (550ft) from the end of the runway.

What a fascinating read, the accident report makes. I recall seeing numerous 727's take off successfully from Luton - this one certainly seems lucky to have survived.

LTNman 18th Sep 2016 17:23

Yes indeed, I have just read the report fully again which states that approach lights 305 metres (1000ft) from the end of the runway were also damaged. The approach lights to 08 were not the full standard length due to falling ground so I would think the aircraft took out part of the first row before descending into the valley.

The report stated that the take off distance available (TODA) was approximately 178ft below the end of the runway.

compton3bravo 18th Sep 2016 19:04

Not surprisingly, the captain did not fly any more for Dan-Air.

Rob Courtney 19th Sep 2016 09:51


Boeing 727's always seemed in my eyes to need more of Luton's runway to get airborne. In fact it was a Dan-Air 727 that took out some of Luton's approach lights and ILS. I seem to remember when reading the accident report that the aircraft then dropped into the valley before climbing away to head for Gatwick for a emergency landing.
Didnt a DHL flight have the same issue, if I remember correctly they loaded the containers in the wrong order making the aircraft nose heavy and the only reason it got airborne was because it dropped into the valley.

no butz 19th Sep 2016 14:34

These photos show the 727 damage. Firstly the lights at the end of the pavement, the wooden fence and then the localiser. The ground drops away sharply thereafter.
http://i68.tinypic.com/2rnty6x.jpg
http://i68.tinypic.com/mav3x3.jpg
http://i66.tinypic.com/bfryc8.jpg

LTNman 19th Sep 2016 14:56

I have never seen those photos before. The pavement in the first photo was the end of the stopway and not the runway, the smashed light was 200ft from the end of the runway and was only 1ft above the ground.

vintage ATCO 19th Sep 2016 18:34

I was in the approach room that morning, just finishing a night duty, when all the localiser alarms went off! The crew wouldn't have it at first that they had hit anything. The rolling of the aircraft was due to the damage to the undercarriage doors which stopped when they dropped the gear. I thought they lowered the gear quite early on but the report doesn't seem to say this.

We handed over to the oncoming watch and slid off home to bed!!

Spiney Norman 19th Sep 2016 20:22

I was a member of the oncoming watch and went out in the Land Rover with another ATCO, (FB). In the remains of the LLZ we found and recovered the 'tail bumper' of the 727! I think we actually tried to lift it and put it in the Landie but no suprises that we couldn't lift it and it wouldn't fit. We recieved a report later, (whether true or not I'm not sure) that parts of the LLZ structure were still embedded in the aft fuselage and some had penetrated the pressure hull.

Just a note. I haven't read the AIB report since it was originally published in case my memory is faulty here.

Spiney Norman 19th Sep 2016 20:30

Just to add....As I walked in through the door of the VCR all the night tower staff were staring towards the climb out and the remarks being made were of the nature best described as 'expletive deleted'. For a second or two I couldn't see anything then, trailing a dirty exhaust trail, the 727 appeared from behind the MacAlpine hangar slowly climbing away!

LTNman 27th Sep 2016 07:28

With the airport's departure lounge marque in the background an interesting day for the airport but what year was the photo taken?

http://i1320.photobucket.com/albums/...ps3cbwna44.jpg
Probably from the Dave Gearing collection

OUAQUKGF Ops 27th Sep 2016 08:45

A click on the photo shows 19751215 Diversions. No Court Line Aircraft or Court Line ground equipment visible.

22/04 27th Sep 2016 09:11

Was OY-APU the previous G-BBZG of Monarch? CAA show de-reg date as 5.12.75 so that is additional evidence

PAXboy 27th Sep 2016 12:37

What type is the KLM?

cj241101 27th Sep 2016 12:44


Originally Posted by OUAQUKGF Ops (Post 9521976)
A click on the photo shows 19751215 Diversions. No Court Line Aircraft or Court Line ground equipment visible.

15/12/75 is correct. From memory, the quoted number of diversions for the day was 47, beating the previous highest which I believe was 34 on 4/1/69. A few bizjets and other GA aircraft were probably included in this figure. I have a list of most of them if anyone is interested. I believe Heathrow was fogbound all day, with LTN staying 7-10km, which didn't happen too often. I suspect the photo was taken in the morning as the KLM DC-8-63 wasn't there when I visited early afternoon. The Germanair 1-11 was a regular on Mondays and Fridays.

Yes, G-BBZG became OY-APU with Maersk Air.

LTNman 27th Sep 2016 13:00

Pointing nose out is a BEA Trident. I thought they had autoland abilities.

PAXboy 27th Sep 2016 13:01

Thanks, I was confused by the KLM type, as the angle of the picture hides the #3 engine neatly behind the #4.

22/04 27th Sep 2016 13:04

I assume what is now mid-term was car park then. But look how empty it is? This is when the loss of Court Line and the highly seasonal nature of traffic meant the airport would I guess be not very in busy in the winter. What is the 732 in front of Hanger 89?

cj241101 27th Sep 2016 13:04


Originally Posted by LTNman (Post 9521916)
With the airport's departure lounge marque in the background an interesting day for the airport but what year was the photo taken?

I seem to remember the marquee's days were numbered, with a more permanent extension to the departure lounge replacing it early in 1976.

cj241101 27th Sep 2016 13:05


Originally Posted by 22/04 (Post 9522278)
I assume what is now mid-term was car park then. But look how empty it is? This is when the loss of Court Line and the highly seasonal nature of traffic meant the airport would I guess be very in busy in the winter. What is the 732 in front of Hanger 89?

VR-BEH the Niarchos exec one which was maintained by Britannia. Replaced by VR-BEG in 1980.


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