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Kitbag 30th Aug 2012 06:47

Darn it Sinco, you're right, I was going through the Vulture powered machines and got a bit excitifused!
SD, may I please change my bid to Blackburn B-20?

sabredog 30th Aug 2012 06:48

That's rather good,SincoTC.
I shall give it to Kitbag, even though it is the "Blackburn" B-20.
Kitbag,
YHC

SincoTC 30th Aug 2012 07:29

Thanks Terrence,

A good judgement, it was obvious from the word "interesting" that KB knew the identity of your Challenge and why I didn't name it (you could hardly say that about the Warwick :} I'll fetch me coat.....)

Catchya later :ok:

Kitbag 30th Aug 2012 08:52

Thanks fella's. I have a challenge prepared, but can't upload it from here. If someone wishes to step in feel free, else I'll get it on early this evening

Kitbag 30th Aug 2012 17:28

Here's the next one:

http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/a...Chall29Aug.jpg

SincoTC 30th Aug 2012 21:17

Evening kitbag,

Now that, like the B-20 is what I call interesting :ok:

I think like SD's last challenge, this may well be another case of ID the engine first and that will lead to the answer!

So it looks like an early(ish), bell shape (not straight sided), Basket-Tube type liquid fuel rocket engine nozzle ??

Kitbag 31st Aug 2012 04:06

Almost certainly correct. This vehicle was powered by one liquid fuelled bell shaped engine.
TBH I can't find reference to 'Basket Tube' so will leave that.

SincoTC 31st Aug 2012 06:31

Morning KB,

Thanks for the confirmation, I believe "Basket-Tube" was a word originally coined by Rocketdyne in patent applications for their method of forming the complex curved walls of their regeneratively-cooled thrust chamber from hydraulically formed nickel-alloy, stacked like a reed basket around a mandrel and brazed together. It seems the word fell out of use after they got the patent I've only seen it in a couple of highly technical books and there are only a few on the web.

I think that's a Rocketdyne LR79, so most likely the Challenge is one fitted to a Douglas PGM-17 Thor ?

Some Thor IRBM's were basin here for a while and they may have had a different designation and of course the Thor formed the basis of the highly successful Delta Space Launcher

Kitbag 31st Aug 2012 09:42

Absolutely spot on, Thor it is

SincoTC 31st Aug 2012 12:19

Thanks kitbag,

Here's the next exhaust; I' at lunch at the moment, but will monitor as often as possible

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/...allenge056.jpg

SincoTC 31st Aug 2012 18:32

Hmm,

Just looking in to say I won't be able to monitor this evening!

Not a nibble so far; it's been very quiet and it seem's all people are biting is their lips :(

Back in about three hours or so :)

Noyade 31st Aug 2012 21:11

OK Trevor.

Talk to me mate. The photographer is arching his back, looking straight up? Big podded engine hanging from a high-winged transport/airliner? The little snippet of airframe at top right is a "tease" and not part of the wing? But maybe it is the port wing? Or is it a rear fuselage engine and the snippet is part of the support? Or could it be that is a end of a fuselage and the snippet is a horizontal tail? And that looped cable(?) at top left?

But then after Thor, is it even a manned aircraft?

At the point the defense attorney would yell from the courtroom "objection your honour - badgering the challenger!"

SincoTC 31st Aug 2012 22:10

G'day Graeme,

It was manned, I admit that I've cropped it rather tightly and left a rather misleading snippet of something, but any wider view would make it very obvious.

the photographer is standing and pointing his camera horizontally :)

BTW, I gave a little clue in may last post ;)

SincoTC 1st Sep 2012 00:07

A little larger view may help

This should get you tasting blood when you come back Graeme, just like a very famous person did ;)

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/...llenge056B.jpg

'Tiz after one now so I'm off to bed, catchya later, good hunting :ok:

Noyade 1st Sep 2012 01:24

Mate, I'm not sure where you're heading with the clues - biting lips, nibble, tasting blood - or are they clues?

But now that we can see the tubular support frame/legs I started looking at the Flying Bedstead, SNECMA C.400 P-1/P-2 and eventually remembered a Lunar Landing research craft...

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/4690/752pxllrv2.jpg

Which looks very promising now that this has clicked in...

very famous person
...being Armstrong?

Anyway, if it is, I still haven't discovered a precise(?) name for it and even if I had it'd have to open house - not home tonight.

Cheers mate. :)

SincoTC 1st Sep 2012 04:58

Afternoon Graeme,

I thought that would do the trick, even if the "Clues" didn't help much :D

It's real name is the Bell Aerosystems LLRV (Lunar Landing Research Vehicle) Aka LLTV (Lunar Landing Training Vehicle)

Lunar Landing Research Vehicle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Check this video out Armstrong’s Close Call Armstrong

As to the clue; maybe too subtle, but it was all over the media at the time that his only injury was that he bit his lip and tongue when he hit the ground!!

Three out of the five LLRV/LLTV built were destroyed in crashes and it was often said that they were too difficult to fly, even for skilled Astronauts/Test Pilots like Armstrong; but the truth is that they were very advanced and had very complicated "fly-by-wire" systems and in all the crashes, system failures robbed the pilots of all control, forcing them to eject!

Have a good evening mate :ok: As Noyade has declared, it is Open House

Noyade 1st Sep 2012 23:14

See post #2867 Mel.

:)

Noyade 1st Sep 2012 23:16


Check this video out Armstrong’s Close Call Armstrong
Thanks Trevor - very interesting! :ok:
Lucky guy in many ways.

MReyn24050 2nd Sep 2012 09:30


See post #2867 Mel.
Thanks Graeme, that is what comes of leaving the updating for too long. Challenge withdrawn.

Open House

MReyn24050 6th Sep 2012 11:54

Here is an easy one to get the thread moving again.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c6...pipequiz36.jpg

Karlark 6th Sep 2012 17:01

Fokker S-13?

MReyn24050 6th Sep 2012 17:38

You have it Karl, the Fokker S13 :ok:
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c6...Fokker_s13.jpg

You have Control.

Karlark 6th Sep 2012 18:09

Thanks Mel. Here is the next challenge:

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/i.../2012/38-8.jpg

sabredog 6th Sep 2012 19:02

Renard R-35 ?

Karlark 6th Sep 2012 19:12

Correct, you have control Sabredog. :ok:

Unfortunate that it crashed during the maiden flight.

renard_R35

sabredog 6th Sep 2012 19:41

Thank you,Karlark.
The next;
http://i1089.photobucket.com/albums/...33/Quiz172.jpg

sabredog 10th Sep 2012 12:20

Not a "Homebuild" aircraft, but produced by a well known American aircraft manufacturer as an attempt to enter the light aircraft market.

evansb 10th Sep 2012 19:44

Curtiss Wright CW-1 Junior ?

sabredog 10th Sep 2012 19:57

At last! Well done Brian,it is indeed the CW-1 Junior.
YHC

evansb 11th Sep 2012 21:48

Okay, yes it is about time. Here is the next challenge:

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r.../WEX120911.jpg

dixi188 12th Sep 2012 08:08

Airbus A400M?

Sorry OH if correct.

evansb 12th Sep 2012 13:25

dixi188 is correct.:ok: As requested, it is OPEN HOUSE.

Gulfstreamaviator 12th Sep 2012 14:59

ASI on the CW-1
 
Perhaps Airbus would like to install the new generation Air Speed Indicator.... almost fool proof, but might ice up.

Calibration is easy with a pair of tin snips.

glf

Noyade 12th Sep 2012 20:53

Onwards...

http://img545.imageshack.us/img545/1982/img300m.jpg

Karlark 12th Sep 2012 21:30

Is it a Martin AM Mauler Graeme?

Noyade 12th Sep 2012 21:46

You mauled through that one quickly!

Your control Karl. :ok:

Karlark 13th Sep 2012 03:04

Thanks.. sorry for the tardy response. Here's the next!

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/i...2012/33-12.jpg

Noyade 13th Sep 2012 06:53

First thought was the Bellanca 28-92.

Second thought - Fairchild AT-21....?

Karlark 13th Sep 2012 12:01

Your second thought is right on the money. :ok:

Fairchild AT-21
http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/i...12/5001L-1.jpg

Noyade's control.

Noyade 13th Sep 2012 23:16

Thanks Karl. Grubby picture, but it's all I have...

http://img854.imageshack.us/img854/4...kandgrainy.jpg


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