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Lightning Mate 22nd Sep 2011 18:00

Nicely done Spit.

It is indeed the Ohka 22. :D

The thermojet version as opposed to the 3-rocket version.

Couldn't resist after Mels' quote above!!!

Spit has requested Open House.

Noyade 22nd Sep 2011 21:30

Butterfly tail, what was I thinking?! :(

"See-through" one...

http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/4431/img023oe.jpg

Lightning Mate 23rd Sep 2011 07:23

Wossa '105' bit?

MReyn24050 23rd Sep 2011 10:07

Drogue parachute perhaps, David.

Noyade 23rd Sep 2011 10:33

105...."Parachute door conical fairing"

MReyn24050 23rd Sep 2011 10:58

Dassault Balzac perhaps?

Noyade 23rd Sep 2011 11:10

You are a very clever man Mel.

109 was the port "Yaw control nozzle".

Yaw control Mel! :)

MReyn24050 23rd Sep 2011 11:31

Thank you Graeme.
It was items 108 & 109 that led me too it. At first I thought Item 109 was possibly a tail wheel of some kind but the only jet aircraft to have that was the Supermarine Attacker and this was not the Attacker. So it must have been a jet efflux to give control to a VTOL aircraft, which led me to the Dassault Balzac.
Here is the next one:-

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c6.../Tailpipe4.jpg

Noyade 23rd Sep 2011 12:16

Mel is that showing the vertical fin base ending at the very edge of the fuselage?

MReyn24050 23rd Sep 2011 12:33

Graeme.
That is correct.

Noyade 23rd Sep 2011 12:38

Thanks, I feel a sketch coming on! :)

Kitbag 23rd Sep 2011 19:43

Spey in an AMX?

MReyn24050 23rd Sep 2011 20:35

The engine is not a Spey.

skytrain10 23rd Sep 2011 22:43

Do I see the horizontal stabilisers in about a 4 and 8 o'clock position? Russian possibly, an early Sukhoi Su-7?

MReyn24050 24th Sep 2011 08:19

Hi Ken. Yes the horizontal stabilisers are at about a 4 and 8 o'clock position but it is not Russian.

skytrain10 24th Sep 2011 18:05

Not getting anywhere fast on this one Mel....there is some similarity with the prototype F9F-9 Tiger - tailplane/stabilisers in the right position. On that subject then, would this be American?

MReyn24050 24th Sep 2011 22:35

Ken. It is American but not the prototype F9F-9 Tiger.

skytrain10 25th Sep 2011 10:17

I keep looking at the YF-8 and YA-7F Crusader/Corsair. The tailpipe and horizontal surfaces are about right, but not the tail itself :ugh:.
Are we looking at a fighter/attack prototype?

MReyn24050 25th Sep 2011 12:31

Ken. You are on the right road. It is in fact the tailpipe of a Vought A7E CorsairII at the Naval Aviation Museum in Pensacola, Florida.The aircraft below is an A7D.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c6.../CorsairA7.jpg
You have control.

skytrain10 25th Sep 2011 13:01

Thanks Mel - somewhat surprised! Looked at the YA-7, the A-7A,B and D. Didn't look at the E - its got that little extension to the tailplane that ends at the exhaust outlet which the others don't have!

Don't have anything to offer at present, so make it Open House

evansb 25th Sep 2011 22:47

Here is a couple of tail-pipes:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r...OK_AT_THAT.jpg

Noyade 26th Sep 2011 01:02

G'day Brian.
Eureka! Finally, something I recognise, well, I hope so...the Ikarus Type 452?...

http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/8290/img026b.jpg

evansb 26th Sep 2011 01:09

Yes, Noyade is correct:ok: The Yugoslavian IKARUS 452. Your turn.

Noyade 26th Sep 2011 08:36

Thanks Brian.

Moving on....

http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/8549/555puy.jpg

skytrain10 26th Sep 2011 11:55

Dassault Mystere IVN?

Noyade 26th Sep 2011 20:24

Heading off to work Ken. Not the Mystere. I tried to be clever. Turn it upside down...

http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/4545/img027xs.jpg

RegDep 26th Sep 2011 21:31

Myasishchev M-50 :confused:

MReyn24050 26th Sep 2011 22:04

Sud-Ouest SO 9050 Trident II perhaps?

Noyade 27th Sep 2011 05:38

It is Mel. :ok:

Your control.

http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/13/img031o.jpg

MReyn24050 27th Sep 2011 14:17

Thanks Graeme. Here is a nice easy one:-
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c6.../Tailpipe5.jpg

Noyade 27th Sep 2011 21:17


Here is a nice easy one:-
G'day Mel. I think our definitions of "easy" vary greatly! :)

First thought was that "thingy" at 6 o'clock was the front end of an arrester hook, say the Dassault Etendard, but I don't think it should be so close to the exhaust lip?
Second thought is the thingy is the break parachute fairing on possibly, the Repuplic Thunderstreak?

Question 1. Trying to education myself on anal aviation - if the tail-pipe doesn't have, as cutaways call them, a variable exhaust nozzle, then can I assume it doesn't have an afterburner?

Question 2. What gets more success when googling for these images...tail pipe, jet pipe, exhaust, jet exhaust, engine exhaust, exhaust nozzle,...etc...? I'm not having a whole lot of luck.

skytrain10 27th Sep 2011 22:28

Is this a tail mounted jet? Something like the Piper PA-47 PiperJet?

Noyade 27th Sep 2011 23:41


Piper PA-47 PiperJet
Wow! Never seen that before.

Ken, is there a Plane-spotters graveyard anywhere? Where I can go and die?

MReyn24050 28th Sep 2011 00:02

Sorry chaps did not think it would be difficult, I thought it would be easy like the latest Avia Quiz :rolleyes:.
To answer your questions:-
Q.1 It does not have an afterburner.
Q.2 Possibly engine exhaust but it really depends as the quiz image may be taken from a general view of the aircraft during a walk around.

It is not a tail mounted jet such as the Piper PA-47 Piperjet.

This might help:-
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c6...Tailpipe5a.jpg

Lightning Mate 28th Sep 2011 08:57

Early low bypass turbofan with clamshell reverser mechanism underneath?

MReyn24050 28th Sep 2011 09:23

David. It certainly is an early turbofan engine with clamshell thrust reverser.

RegDep 28th Sep 2011 09:36

Soloviev D-30

In an Ilyushin Il-76?

MReyn24050 28th Sep 2011 10:06

Sorry Reg. Not the Soloviev D-30 in an Ilyushin Il-76.

Noyade 28th Sep 2011 10:12

Quick stabs...

Lockheed Starlifter?

MReyn24050 28th Sep 2011 10:32

A good stab Graeme. It is the Lockheed C141 Starlifter.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c6...b_07_of_50.jpg

You have control.


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