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Noyade 2nd Sep 2011 10:58


This is parked next to it
"Rolls-Royce Avon RA.28 power-plant"....

The cheat is the missing engine!
I'm seeing it in the photos!
http://img846.imageshack.us/img846/3...28r0900254.jpg

Yeovilton
I'm lost.....:}

MReyn24050 2nd Sep 2011 11:01

The other aircraft is Concorde

MReyn24050 2nd Sep 2011 11:03

Hi graeme. The first clue I got was Yeovilton. Based on you getting the maker but it is not a Hunter it must be the Hawker P.1052 and the afterburner in the second.photograph is that used on Concorde.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/e1.jpg

west lakes 2nd Sep 2011 11:07

Got it, the Hawker & Concorde

MReyn24050 2nd Sep 2011 11:10

Thanks west lakes that was a very interesting challenge. I should watch out Avia Quiz might be after you to join them.

west lakes 2nd Sep 2011 11:18

I visoted for the first time last week and couldn't resist that!

I was interested to see 002 as the last time I saw her was a as child in Blackpool whilst she was on her farewell tour. I'v'e got a B&W photo of her flying along the coast somewhere.

Noyade 2nd Sep 2011 11:29


Thanks west lakes that was a very interesting challenge.
Ditto! :ok:

Very nice looking museum.

west lakes 2nd Sep 2011 11:33

The one that impressed most is one part called the flight deck experiance where you are on a simulated carrier flight deck. The most impressive bit being the smell of burnt jet fuel after a "take off"

MReyn24050 2nd Sep 2011 13:30


The one that impressed most is one part called the flight deck experiance where you are on a simulated carrier flight deck. The most impressive bit being the smell of burnt jet fuel after a "take off"
I know the museum well. I used to work in Gazelle House on the other side of the road from the FAA Museum for a number of years.

Kitbag 5th Sep 2011 21:50

West Lake, check PM please

west lakes 5th Sep 2011 22:01

Done and replied.

Folks I just rechecked some other photos, the first was of the jet pipe (engine missing) of this airframe: -

http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/d...n/IMG_0932.jpg

Not as previously stated

danielsmallwood 8th Sep 2011 21:24

Cool))))):ok:

evansb 13th Sep 2011 01:48

NAME THE TAIL PIPE
 
Identify the aircraft:

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r...F652021111.jpg

henry crun 13th Sep 2011 03:34

F-101 Voodoo ?

Noyade 13th Sep 2011 03:46

Maybe the F-4 Phantom?

evansb 13th Sep 2011 11:47

Noyade is correct.:ok: The McDonnell RF-4E Phantom II. Your turn.

Noyade 13th Sep 2011 12:11

Thanks Brian. I too initially thought the Mighty Voodoo. So, we have a new ID thread? :)

Next...

http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/6972/img007au.jpg

Noyade 14th Sep 2011 00:44

The original photo...

http://img846.imageshack.us/img846/4318/img009bt.jpg

safetypee 14th Sep 2011 01:09

Lockheed XF-90, or 90A depending on engine fit. Ex XP-90.
46-687 first of two(?) protoypes.

safetypee 14th Sep 2011 01:25

With a degree of confidence in #59.
Name of the design organisation, or likely manufacturer. Project only, not built.

http://i54.tinypic.com/18zser.jpg

RegDep 14th Sep 2011 07:10

BAE Systems' Military Air Solutions wind tunnel.

safetypee 14th Sep 2011 12:05

RegDep, quite likely (btw where is that tunnel located); however who was using it.

RegDep 14th Sep 2011 12:19

Warton, Lancashire? No idea yet which project that was.

A wild guess: EADS Alenia.

safetypee 14th Sep 2011 13:21

Not EADS Alenia, but a flavouring in the mixture.

evansb 14th Sep 2011 14:31

The 'TurboLiner' ?

Lightning Mate 14th Sep 2011 14:59

I worked for BAe and confirm that RegDep has identified the tunnel, which is indeed at Warton.

MReyn24050 14th Sep 2011 15:17

These link support Reg & LM:-
http://www.w823.co.uk/publications/leaflets/1-wtd.pdf
Google Images

safetypee 14th Sep 2011 15:25

Sorry not the TurboLiner – incorrect fin shape (not that you can see) and without curved flight deck window panels. Perhaps a little smaller – up to 120 seats, but more likely 70-100.

Ah Warton, ‘tis up north’, but this design organisation, geographically, ranged North and South of that.

MReyn24050, thanks for the link. We have identified the tunnel, but ‘who’ put ‘what’ into it, and why.

MReyn24050 14th Sep 2011 16:37

The Indian Regional Transport Aircaft the RTA-70 perhaps?

RegDep 14th Sep 2011 16:47


Not EADS Alenia, but a flavouring in the mixture.
Following this clue which is between esoteric and cryptographic, my next stab is that the project was done by EADS Innovation Works, either for the European Clean Sky project*, or for Ukrainian Antonov or Russian Sukhoi.

Interesting, Mel, I thought the same, but felt that the Indians would trust their own capabilities. Let's see the verdict when it is handed down :8.

Edit: * Like "the Italian aeronautical industry occupying a front-line row through its leadership of Finmeccanica on two technical platforms: Green Regional Aircraft (Alenia Aeronautica with EADS-CASA) and …."

safetypee 14th Sep 2011 18:50

Sorry, no more progress so far, but in a jumbled way MReyn24050 has consortium member.

safetypee 15th Sep 2011 01:34

To speed things up, this could have been a stable mate - the earlier jet version.
http://i54.tinypic.com/d8zmq.jpg

and the project which both parties wanted to build but couldn’t afford it.
http://i53.tinypic.com/2nb7jw0.jpg

spook 15th Sep 2011 08:31

IPTN? The N-250?

safetypee 15th Sep 2011 11:55

No not IPTN. Many manufacturers had similar ideas, only a few were built.
None of the above made it beyond the wind tunnel, except that parts of the turboprop, full size engine/wing/fuselage junction may have been part of an open rotor noise test.

MReyn24050 15th Sep 2011 12:43


Sorry, no more progress so far, but in a jumbled way MReyn24050 has consortium member.
Sorry you have lost me. What exactly is jumbled about the Indian Regional Transport RTA-70?

RegDep 15th Sep 2011 12:54

How about, in a jumbled way, comething else at Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL)?


Hindustan Aeronautics has a long history of collaboration with several other international and domestic aerospace agencies such as Airbus, Boeing, Sukhoi Aviation Corporation, Israel Aircraft Industries, RSK MiG, BAE Systems, Rolls-Royce plc, Dassault Aviation, Dornier Flugzeugwerke, the Indian Aeronautical Development Agency and the Indian Space Research Organisation.

safetypee 15th Sep 2011 13:08

Jumbled … sorry, too cryptic. RTA = = ATR, who were partners with BAe in AIR. Hence the association with the BAe wind tunnel.
The turboprop model was adorned with the AIR logo. AIR had several design studies but never produced any new aircraft.
I suspect that the turboprop was a BAe sop to ATR, but still using the majority of 146/RJ fuselage, wing, and tail, whereas they preferred the twin engine 146/RJ. The best of the bad bunch would have been the twin RJ70 (246?).
BAe had previously conducted open rotor tests with the 146 (Mamba engine near a 146 wing IIRC).
Both BAe and ATR recognised the emerging market for a small regional twinjet, hence the EMB lookalike jet. The favoured AIR variant was also smaller / thinner, again like the EMB designs; but money, ideas, and association ran out before there was any progress.

Open house.

evansb 15th Sep 2011 18:40

Talk about jumbled! I'm still not clear on the name of the project aircraft. Regardless, here is a tailpipe challenge:

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r...f102c21_b1.jpg

MReyn24050 15th Sep 2011 18:44


Talk about jumbled! I'm still not clear on the name of the project aircraft.

I am glad it wasn't only me Bri. :)

Yours is the Ryan FR-1 Fireball I believe.
Mel

evansb 15th Sep 2011 20:21

You are spot on, as usual, Mel:ok: Your turn.


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