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SincoTC 18th Jan 2012 11:29


is it the Wiseman-Cooke Biplane?
It is Ken :D, well done, over to you!

It was originally just the Wiseman Biplane when first built.


Fred Wiseman, a successful automobile racing driver from Santa Rosa, California, began construction of an airplane in October 1909 in San Francisco. It was based on elements of Wright, Curtiss, and Farman designs, three of the most successful manufacturers of the day. Successful test flights were made in the spring of 1910, making it the first airplane built in California to fly.

In May 1910, as the first Wiseman airplane was being tested, construction started on a second aircraft. Wiseman made all his significant exhibition flights using this airplane, including the first air mail flight officially sanctioned by a U.S. post office, from Petaluma to Santa Rosa, California, in February 1911.

In early 1912, the second Wiseman airplane was acquired by Weldon B. Cooke, a pilot who had been making a name for himself in recent months flying another airplane in the NASM collection, the Maupin-Lanteri Black Diamond. The second Wiseman airplane is now designated by NASM as the "Wiseman-Cooke aircraft" because both individuals were intimately associated with its history.
skytrain10 has control :ok:

skytrain10 18th Jan 2012 11:50

Thanks Trevor. Funny I remember seeing it, but of course it was from below, so could never get a perspective side on. Found it on the modelflight website...and then it clicked:)

Here's the next one:

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/i...r/918f22bd.jpg

Incidentally this aircraft is referenced on Wikipedia, but that won't be of much use to you today!

Ridge Runner 18th Jan 2012 12:02

Hi boys! Hi Ken!!! A Brit per chance? RR ;)

skytrain10 18th Jan 2012 12:05

Hi Martin...not a Brit mate, but it is European.

skytrain10 18th Jan 2012 19:37

If anyone is out there...a 1930's design. Graeme should get it:)

Noyade 18th Jan 2012 19:43

G'say Ken! :)

Is it the Hungarian M.19, with editing? :)

http://img813.imageshack.us/img813/3461/m19a.jpg


Graeme should get it
Why? :suspect:


not Brit mate, but it is European.
Now, I remember David pouring **** on me for suggesting the UK was part of Europe?! You saying it is? :ooh:

Noyade 18th Jan 2012 19:48

Ahhh....should have turned a few more pages, eh? :)
CANSA Lictor 130....?

skytrain10 18th Jan 2012 20:09


CANSA Lictor 130....?
Morning Graeme...that will do nicely:ok: Also listed as the Gabardini Lictor 130 depending on where you look. The M.19 looks very similar, particularly the undercarriage layout.

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/i...r/8194fda1.jpg


You saying it is?
Well my geography tells me we are part of the continent of Europe.. Some may think different politically of course:)

My comment about you getting it was of course referring to where it was from...you have been known to like putting up the odd Italian challenge:)

Noyade has control

Noyade 18th Jan 2012 20:20

Thanks Ken.


The M.19 looks very similar, particularly the undercarriage layout.
Ken, the struts are painted on by me. :)


you have been known to like putting up the odd Italian challenge
Then I was just lucky cause I have limited sources on Italian aircraft.

Got plenty of intakes, exhausts, aeronautical orifices but no silhouettes at the moment, but I do have a photo. Otherwise open house.

skytrain10 18th Jan 2012 20:31


Ken, the struts are painted on by me.
Ah, now I know what you mean't by editing - just looked at the original, but I prefer your version:)

Go for a photo mate:ok:

Noyade 18th Jan 2012 20:37

Glad you asked as it's more a cry for help than a challenge. This appeared in a book I bought in 1978. The manufacturer is well known but the designation...well it just doesn't google. Could be a caption error, but I'm very interested to see what you think...thanks.

http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/5786/img340s.jpg

skytrain10 18th Jan 2012 20:45

Interesting.....was it a racer?

Noyade 18th Jan 2012 20:54

Good question. I see no guns(?) but the book was devoted to fighters.

French manufacturer, according to the caption.

(Should I just toss the photo and caption up for a general query/discussion rather than a challenge? Happy to do that. Maybe I should have just PM'd you instead? :))

skytrain10 18th Jan 2012 21:04

Happy for you to leave it up if you are:ok:

Hispano-Suiza engine, or do you not have that info?

Noyade 18th Jan 2012 21:09


Hispano-Suiza engine
Sorry mate, don't know for certain, but going by the likeness to other fighters by the same manufacturer, yes.

skytrain10 18th Jan 2012 21:16

I was thinking it was a Wibault design, but from your last comment perhaps not?

Noyade 18th Jan 2012 21:21


Wibault design
That'll do me mate. :) Your control.

Now, can you find for me on the net the Wibault W.11?
I've had no luck. Not in AviaFrance or Green and Swanborough's Fighter tome.


http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/4411/img380i.jpg

skytrain10 18th Jan 2012 21:50

Hi Graeme. I guess its logical there should be an 11 on the basis there is a 10 and 12. But as you say there seems to be no reference to it on the web. No mention that I can see on the "secret projects" forum. Trevor is far better at searches than me so maybe he will have more luck. What book was it in?

Noyade 18th Jan 2012 21:59


What book was it in?
Don't laugh.

Purnell's.

http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/2944/img382s.jpg

skytrain10 18th Jan 2012 22:19


Purnell's
Wasn't expecting that! Yes, not sure the image would be appropriate these days. They could always put a notice to the effect that "no citizens of mainland European countries were shot in the making of this book" :)

Here we go with the next one:

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/i...r/e4c9f101.jpg


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