What was the oldest airplane you flew?
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Were you using the Maggie, Hairy? Grannies and egg sucking doubtless but, if ever you get the urge, don't try toilet roll cutting with your prop, use the wings - I watched a Chippie doing it years ago: the shredded paper got stuffed in the carb intake resulting in a nicely judged dead-stick landing! Believe the Tiger Club had a similar experience with four Turbs all at once at Farnborough in the 1960s!
Oldest I've flown in was a 1929 Stinson Junior in Florida - nearly had a go in the same New Standard as Poetpilot but that was "winded" off. Shame we didn't manage it as I flew in a brand spanking new A-340-600 two days later - oldest and newest so close together would have been notable.
The oldest I've actually flown (well, handled under supervision!) was a '66 vintage Cessna 150. Nearly as old as me...
Oldest I've flown in was a 1929 Stinson Junior in Florida - nearly had a go in the same New Standard as Poetpilot but that was "winded" off. Shame we didn't manage it as I flew in a brand spanking new A-340-600 two days later - oldest and newest so close together would have been notable.
The oldest I've actually flown (well, handled under supervision!) was a '66 vintage Cessna 150. Nearly as old as me...
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Hairy, I take my Panama hat off to you sir. That limbo flying looks an 'interesting' proposition, and you almost got several of the balloons - it's just that they didn't burst.
Long may your delightful aircraft continue to age. BTW, with all your flying do you get Hair Miles?
The oldest machine I've flown is the Tiger Club Moth G-ACDC, though I believe there is some debate as to exactly which bit is original (if any!). Otherwise it is the Grace Spitfire ML407, built in 1944 - I've got 37 minutes on that.
RD
Long may your delightful aircraft continue to age. BTW, with all your flying do you get Hair Miles?
The oldest machine I've flown is the Tiger Club Moth G-ACDC, though I believe there is some debate as to exactly which bit is original (if any!). Otherwise it is the Grace Spitfire ML407, built in 1944 - I've got 37 minutes on that.
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I havent been invited to do the toilet roll thing but will take the advice!
Limbo - Not that difficult after the first scare - it looks so small as you turn in! I think the scariest job is holding the poles....
A crosswind and turbulence can be challenging. Wake turbulence was also a factor on Sunday.
Flour bombing - a black art at which I am hopeless.
We need to drop them from at least 100ft in order to get a nice puff.
Interestingly enough, the Maggie was trialed as a (very) light home-defence bomber. So here we are, over 60 years later, flying a Maggiebomber again!
Balloon bursting - tricky too. It really is a case of luck of the draw. There is a narrow window in which you can manouvre so if a balloon ain't there for you - tough.
I thought I had got one at least but all narrow misses unfortunately.
We have tightened things up as we get more experienced at it - it is a new routine this season.
I also struggle to keep up with the professional test pilots I fly with - after all I am just a hobby pilot. Great bunch of guys - such a priveledge to be involved.
SVAS - always short of volunteers, especialy those who are happy to do some of the less glam jobs like cleaning the aircraft down.
Nice white overalls supplied!
All the best.
HP
Limbo - Not that difficult after the first scare - it looks so small as you turn in! I think the scariest job is holding the poles....
A crosswind and turbulence can be challenging. Wake turbulence was also a factor on Sunday.
Flour bombing - a black art at which I am hopeless.
We need to drop them from at least 100ft in order to get a nice puff.
Interestingly enough, the Maggie was trialed as a (very) light home-defence bomber. So here we are, over 60 years later, flying a Maggiebomber again!
Balloon bursting - tricky too. It really is a case of luck of the draw. There is a narrow window in which you can manouvre so if a balloon ain't there for you - tough.
I thought I had got one at least but all narrow misses unfortunately.
We have tightened things up as we get more experienced at it - it is a new routine this season.
I also struggle to keep up with the professional test pilots I fly with - after all I am just a hobby pilot. Great bunch of guys - such a priveledge to be involved.
SVAS - always short of volunteers, especialy those who are happy to do some of the less glam jobs like cleaning the aircraft down.
Nice white overalls supplied!
All the best.
HP
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The oldest planes I've flown in are EAA's 1929 Travel Air E-4000, 1930 New Standard D-25 and 1930 Pitcairn Mailwing PA-7.
The oldest I've had my hands & feet on the controls is EAA's 1929 Ford Trimotor, if a replica of the 1927 Spirit of St Louis doesn't count.
The oldest I've soloed is a 1931 Aeronca C-3
The oldest I've had my hands & feet on the controls is EAA's 1929 Ford Trimotor, if a replica of the 1927 Spirit of St Louis doesn't count.
The oldest I've soloed is a 1931 Aeronca C-3
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I flown a Sopwith Camel, two in fact, one with a Clerget engine, a Spad, Albatross, a DR1 (Fokker Tri-Plane) and a Airco D.H.2. Not old in the real sense, all replicas from days with Leisure Sport in 1977/9. All were true to their breeding though, except the Spad which required an inordinate amount of front end 'ballast' due to a design fault at the Augsburg factory where it was built. There was also a Fairchild Argus which was a treat to fly. Still about today with 'Low 'n Slow' I think.
I did also fly a Staggerwing at Redhill. Can't remember the owners name - but he was rich.
G-ACDC at the Tiger Club was rebuilt many times one way and another but it is still flying at the TC - now at Headcorn. I have around 200hrs on that.
I flew in the Turb formation at the Tiger Club and the memories have been bought back by Hairy, regarding balloon bursting, flour bombing, streamer cutting and 'under the hoop'. We also did a tied together formation. Most times we got the four-ship back to Redhill with the ties still on. When they got broke, the one 'wot did it' bought the beer at the local.
Treadders is right about the toilet roll cutting an engine. It was at Bembridge, (although there MAY have been a similar incident at F'boro as he suggests) when one Robin Voice had a sheet of a toilet roll ingested into the carb and he made a forced landing - broke the u'carriage I think. I think he would have liked the toilet roll on board at that point!!
Ah! Those were indeed the days.
I did also fly a Staggerwing at Redhill. Can't remember the owners name - but he was rich.
G-ACDC at the Tiger Club was rebuilt many times one way and another but it is still flying at the TC - now at Headcorn. I have around 200hrs on that.
I flew in the Turb formation at the Tiger Club and the memories have been bought back by Hairy, regarding balloon bursting, flour bombing, streamer cutting and 'under the hoop'. We also did a tied together formation. Most times we got the four-ship back to Redhill with the ties still on. When they got broke, the one 'wot did it' bought the beer at the local.
Treadders is right about the toilet roll cutting an engine. It was at Bembridge, (although there MAY have been a similar incident at F'boro as he suggests) when one Robin Voice had a sheet of a toilet roll ingested into the carb and he made a forced landing - broke the u'carriage I think. I think he would have liked the toilet roll on board at that point!!
Ah! Those were indeed the days.
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Remember seeing a fatal accident at Shoreham many years ago when a Turbulent went in after doing balloon bursting , flour bombing etc. Fortunately in twenty five years of flying never seen any others but have seen the aftermath on several occasions......
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That was John Harper. He was not killed (unless there was another incident I am not aware of!). Fortunately his injuries were not too serious and he was back flying again a few months later.
But then display flying is inherently dodgy, and every year there is always a few accidents and incidents. Always will be.
But then display flying is inherently dodgy, and every year there is always a few accidents and incidents. Always will be.
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The Staggerwing - the red one - belonged to Philip Wolfe - moved to Biggin eventually and has now gone to Sweden I think...
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Our Chippy was built in 1951 and so is marginally younger than me.
Flown on an AN2, but I think that just looked old. And flown P1 in a Waco that looked very old, but was a modern replica.
The oldest I've flown as P1 is an L4 Cub, G-BHXY, in which I have a good few hours, and which IIRC was built in 1944.
SSD
Flown on an AN2, but I think that just looked old. And flown P1 in a Waco that looked very old, but was a modern replica.
The oldest I've flown as P1 is an L4 Cub, G-BHXY, in which I have a good few hours, and which IIRC was built in 1944.
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My oldest is my 1941 Taylorcraft BC12, closely followed by the 1943 L4 I have too - and both are damn fine airplanes !
what went wrong for the last 60years?
Kingy
what went wrong for the last 60years?
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A 1943 L4 cub, and excellent fun it was! (Thanks again.)
Two friends were flying an R22 in the same area, and saw us:
A - Is that an aeroplane?
B - Yes, why?
A - It looks like it's hovering.
And a positively youthful 1952 Chippie...mmm... Chipmunks...
Two friends were flying an R22 in the same area, and saw us:
A - Is that an aeroplane?
B - Yes, why?
A - It looks like it's hovering.
And a positively youthful 1952 Chippie...mmm... Chipmunks...
CamelPilot the Clerget engined Camel, although a replica, must count for something 
PS, FNG and I never managed to generate enough interest to be able to form a group around the Argus. Ah well.......
PS, FNG and I never managed to generate enough interest to be able to form a group around the Argus. Ah well.......
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I know where you're coming from BEagle - in fact I think we have flown some of those together!
A lot of Squadrons in the RAF used to make a great deal of the fact that they had some pilots flying aircraft older than themselves. But at a flying training school somewhere in England in 1993, we went one better. We had an aircraft which was originally delivered to the RAF in 1949. One day our 24 year old QFI flew with a 19 year old student, making their combined age less than the age of the airframe!
A lot of Squadrons in the RAF used to make a great deal of the fact that they had some pilots flying aircraft older than themselves. But at a flying training school somewhere in England in 1993, we went one better. We had an aircraft which was originally delivered to the RAF in 1949. One day our 24 year old QFI flew with a 19 year old student, making their combined age less than the age of the airframe!
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You are right. The Clerget Camel was a bit special, and very very interesting to fly. It only accumulated around 9 hours of actual flight time before it was sold, or given, to the Brooklands Museum.
Sadly, I hear, it was the subject of a taxi error recently and the prop hit the ground. The resulting splinters punctured various parts of the fabric.
Not very good for the engine either. They only had a life of 50 hours!
You are right. The Clerget Camel was a bit special, and very very interesting to fly. It only accumulated around 9 hours of actual flight time before it was sold, or given, to the Brooklands Museum.
Sadly, I hear, it was the subject of a taxi error recently and the prop hit the ground. The resulting splinters punctured various parts of the fabric.
Not very good for the engine either. They only had a life of 50 hours!
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I think regular contributor Airbedane is being modest on this one ,as he regularly displays a 1908 edwardian aircraft at Old Warden which is I believe the oldest original aircraft flying in the world I can,t remember the type !!lovely to see it fly on a calm evening though.So come on Airbedane don,t be modest put your hand up !!.
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Really Really Old Planes!
Airbedane ( I can safely tell you that his handle is derived from his lovely little 4 year old girls pronunciation of 'aeroplane' - cute or what??!!)) regularly flies the 1911 Blackburn and also the Bleriot (1909?). The Blackburn is the oldest airworthy British aircraft anywhere in the world. I also believe it has its original engine.
I think it will be game set and match for AB on this one??
Well done Stampe for making us all green with envy. The Blackburn is a delight to fly apparently - a proper aeroplane that regularly flies a circuit or two when the conditions are right.
ALas - the Bleriot - for good reason - is restricted to hops. Neil Williams tried to circuit it many years ago and stuffed it in an adjacent field - bent it bad....
Anyway Stampe - me and you will knock em dead at the PFA Rally - I doubt whether my old planes have been there for many years - and.....the weather is looking goooood!!
HP
I think it will be game set and match for AB on this one??
Well done Stampe for making us all green with envy. The Blackburn is a delight to fly apparently - a proper aeroplane that regularly flies a circuit or two when the conditions are right.
ALas - the Bleriot - for good reason - is restricted to hops. Neil Williams tried to circuit it many years ago and stuffed it in an adjacent field - bent it bad....
Anyway Stampe - me and you will knock em dead at the PFA Rally - I doubt whether my old planes have been there for many years - and.....the weather is looking goooood!!
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A 1937 Taylor J2 Cub. In fact I have flown several of these beaut little machines.
Slow as all heck. Hand started. No brakes. No tailwheel steering - a fixed skid. No stall warning indicator. No differential ailerons.
The wind creeps in via all the many nooks and crannys and runs up the legs of your pants. Navigate via way of the little compass.
The elevator trim is controlled via a sash cord on the port cabin wall.
Yes, these machines were from a bygone era, one that said any flying was better than no flying at all.
Memories. Memories.
Slow as all heck. Hand started. No brakes. No tailwheel steering - a fixed skid. No stall warning indicator. No differential ailerons.
The wind creeps in via all the many nooks and crannys and runs up the legs of your pants. Navigate via way of the little compass.
The elevator trim is controlled via a sash cord on the port cabin wall.
Yes, these machines were from a bygone era, one that said any flying was better than no flying at all.
Memories. Memories.
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This is a good excuse to wander down memory lane, otherwise known as my log-books. 
1933 Tiger Moth G-ACDC
1938? Stearman PT17 N75811
1941 Harvard AT-6D G-SUES
1942 Tiger Moth G-ANOH
1942 SNJ-5 N3680F
Once my pride and joy, 1942 AT-16 Harvard IIB FT391 (G-AZBN) which I bought with Ray and Mark Hanna.
In 1990 we replaced it with a 1947 Yak 3.
The Yak is coming to the end of a total rebuild and is on static display at Duxford.
1947 Stampe G-AWEF
1948 Pilatus P2 G-BJAX
1949 Stampe G-ATKC
1951 Chipmunk WD345. I learned to fly with the RAF in WD345, but also have a special affection for WK518 (1952) in which I did my first solo 32 years ago last month.
It's now with the BBMF.
After that, they start getting younger than me!
The oldest helicopter is a youngster in comparison, a 1966 Bell 47G (G-CHOP, formerly XT221)
1933 Tiger Moth G-ACDC
1938? Stearman PT17 N75811
1941 Harvard AT-6D G-SUES
1942 Tiger Moth G-ANOH
1942 SNJ-5 N3680F
Once my pride and joy, 1942 AT-16 Harvard IIB FT391 (G-AZBN) which I bought with Ray and Mark Hanna.
In 1990 we replaced it with a 1947 Yak 3.
The Yak is coming to the end of a total rebuild and is on static display at Duxford.
1947 Stampe G-AWEF
1948 Pilatus P2 G-BJAX
1949 Stampe G-ATKC
1951 Chipmunk WD345. I learned to fly with the RAF in WD345, but also have a special affection for WK518 (1952) in which I did my first solo 32 years ago last month.
It's now with the BBMF.
After that, they start getting younger than me!
The oldest helicopter is a youngster in comparison, a 1966 Bell 47G (G-CHOP, formerly XT221)
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