Strutter
Indeed Noyade - and if you actually read through the book you will find both 1.5 Strutter and 'Strutter' both used many times in the text
,both are equally correct as an unofficial name. HNY to you as well
I am a little puzzled why some folks have been getting so aereated by the 'Strutter' name - it makes absolutely no difference to me.
As I posted previously the whole scottish project was initiated by the Museum of Flight at East Fortune,these guys have done thousands of manhours building this lovely replica and there is a reasonable chance they might have had a glance at some historical documents or even talked to ex WW1 crews etc
They are not exactly armchair historians or keyboard warriors.
It's 1-1/2-Strutter. No-one is criticising the expertise or knowledge of the build team. The news story got it wrong. The only thing I'm getting aerated about is postings that don't seem to get that, and keep trying to steer the 'discussion' onto something that no-one said or wrote.
It's a Sopwith One-and-a-Half-Strutter. Sometimes Sopwith Type 9400 or Sopwith Type 9700; also Sopwith Two Seater. Sadly navalised as "Ship's Strutter" but only because "Ship's One-and-a-half-Strutter" was a mouthful. Never was anything else.
I know we'll get another concoction of imagined outrage and convoluted nonsense in response, but there lies the domain of internet warriors. I've written a fair bit about WW1 aviation and done an awful lot of research of primary-source and first-hand accounts. So no keyboard warrior stuff from this direction.
And no criticism of the team (again for emphasis - check this thread if you don't believe it) and nothing other than a critique of lazy journalism (again you can check), allied to annoyance caused by such often-dodgy sources as The Wiki for generating and/or perpetuating misconceptions. And then folks for trying to justify plagiarised errors. I expect there is already a Wiki page for the Bristol 142 First, the Fairey Monoplane, GAL Shadower, English Canberra, de Havilland Dragon (that would be the DH.89, not the DH.84, which of course is the Dragon) and all sorts of other types missing their proper nouns because people don't know the subject. And then try and invent a history to justify it.
Again - (just in case) - no criticism of the build team. I think that should get through. Nah. Doubt it.
It's a Sopwith One-and-a-Half-Strutter. Sometimes Sopwith Type 9400 or Sopwith Type 9700; also Sopwith Two Seater. Sadly navalised as "Ship's Strutter" but only because "Ship's One-and-a-half-Strutter" was a mouthful. Never was anything else.
I know we'll get another concoction of imagined outrage and convoluted nonsense in response, but there lies the domain of internet warriors. I've written a fair bit about WW1 aviation and done an awful lot of research of primary-source and first-hand accounts. So no keyboard warrior stuff from this direction.
And no criticism of the team (again for emphasis - check this thread if you don't believe it) and nothing other than a critique of lazy journalism (again you can check), allied to annoyance caused by such often-dodgy sources as The Wiki for generating and/or perpetuating misconceptions. And then folks for trying to justify plagiarised errors. I expect there is already a Wiki page for the Bristol 142 First, the Fairey Monoplane, GAL Shadower, English Canberra, de Havilland Dragon (that would be the DH.89, not the DH.84, which of course is the Dragon) and all sorts of other types missing their proper nouns because people don't know the subject. And then try and invent a history to justify it.
Again - (just in case) - no criticism of the build team. I think that should get through. Nah. Doubt it.
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The reason why I have mentioned the building team a couple of times is that the team themselves use both 'Strutter' and '1½ Strutter' - this is where the BBC got the name 'Strutter' from - they did not just 'invent' it or use the term lazily.
Meanwhile from 'Sopwith Day To Day' - an interesting little article from A day by day diary of the Sopwith Aviation Company and its products through 1918
Summary of Sopwith's status on 1st January 1918.
https://www.kingstonaviation.org/sop...-day/1918.html
Summary of Sopwith's status on 1st January 1918.
https://www.kingstonaviation.org/sop...-day/1918.html
Following a recent successful flight by a ‘Strutter’ from the foredeck of HMS Campania, ‘Strutters’ are to get a new role as the most suitable available two-seat machine for fleet reconnaissance. It is proposed that 47 will eventually be stationed aboard HMS Campania, Furious, Cavendish and Argus. With a further 50% in reserve, 50% for training and a wastage of 10% per month, 200 will be needed. With production lines closed the RNAS will need to acquire most of these 200 ‘Strutters’ from the RFC and/or the French. They will all have to be converted to ‘Ships Strutters’ with floatation bags, ball tail-skids, lifting slings and possibly hydrofoils.
The RNAS still has 89 two-seat ‘Strutters’ and single-seat ‘Strutter Bombers’ in service, 29 in the Aegean, 5 at Otranto in Italy and the rest at Cranwell(15), the Manston War School(12), Eastchurch(7), Yarmouth(4), Dover(4), Mullion(4), Hendon(3), East Fortune(3), Chingford(1), and Grain(1)
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The article/paragraphs I quoted in post #45 were written during WW1 - nothing retrospective about that LOL
Stop Digging
A day by day diary of the Sopwith Aviation Company and its products through 1918
Summary of Sopwith's status on 1st January 1918
Summary of Sopwith's status on 1st January 1918
Last edited by longer ron; 1st Jan 2023 at 13:13. Reason: clarifying article source for those with entrenched views
Even the Anson used a rubber band bomb-bay
Edit: Manual says doors were opened/closed by the bomb aimer cranking a handle for the 20lb bombs, 100lb bomb were sstored in another bay, doors opened by the weight of the bomb when the release was pressed and closed by springs..
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