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C.S.A. Britannia.

Old 24th Apr 2021, 10:55
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C.S.A. Britannia.

Was there every a loss of a C.S.A
Britannia.? I realise that O.K used
the Britannia on the PRG/SNN/YQX/
HAV along with the CU Britannia's
and that there may been the loss
of an OK IL18 on this route.
I recall someone in PRG connected
with CSA mentioning something about
a loss en-route. The OK Britannia's
were sometimes seen at LHR.
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Old 24th Apr 2021, 11:13
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No, CSA never had a Britannia accident.

You may be thinking of one of a number of fatal CSA Il-18 accidents.
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Old 24th Apr 2021, 11:56
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https://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19670905-0

https://www.baaa-acro.com/crash/crash-ilyushin-ii-18d-gander-37-killed

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Old 24th Apr 2021, 13:25
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Thanks Barry I knew about the IL18
loss, but something was in my mind
about the Britannia. maybe a non-
fatal accident. ? I do remember that
it was suggested that Communist
flight deck crews were not always
familiar with Western built a/c.
I did check on air safety records, and
came up with nothing.
Perhaps I asked why CSA used the
IL18 rather than the Britannia as CU
were using.
A flt PRG/HAV in an IL18 must have
been an adventure with no layovers
for the pax. I guess sunshine kept
them going.
Lance.

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Dave Reid,
Thanks.
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Old 24th Apr 2021, 17:01
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I visited Aero Caribbean in Havana in the mid 80s and spoke at length with the people there. By then, the Cubana Britannias were parked up and Aero Caribbean had just one in operation, flying meat from Canada. They seemed comfortable with them, but the biggest problem they had was with the big checks, for which they were flown to Monarch at Luton. I was never aware of an incident with CSA's aircraft though.

I've done four and a half hours in an IL-18 from Moscow to Ashkhabad (as it was known then). That was quite long enough!
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In 1987, I flew on a Cubana IL-18 domestic flight. I found the aircraft cabin to be quite comfortable.
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Old 25th Apr 2021, 16:10
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The CSA Britannias were leased, one at a time, from Cubana, and returned there afterwards. It was a long term arrangement for them through the 1960s, and they were re-registered and repainted in CSA livery. They didn't appear in the timetable on any route other than Havana. Leave Prague Monday afternoon via Shannon and Gander, into Havana Tuesday morning. Return Thursday morning, via Gander but omitting Shannon, into Prague Friday morning. They typically crossed each way the Cubana Britannia doing their own weekly flight to Prague.
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I wonder what Lance did to get a ban ...
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I wonder what Lance did to get a ban ...
Strange if true...
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Old 30th Apr 2021, 14:56
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I can remember seeing CSA Britannias at LHR, one stuck in my mind as it was a rare 05R arrival and at the time ( 1 was probably 14 ) I remember thinking how odd to see a western aircraft from the Eastern Bloc. CSA normally used IL18s or TU104s to LHR.

Mind you back then the Eastern Bloc was a good source of unusual types although moderated by the fact that no airline had that many of any one type, I think even Aeroflot who had lots of IL18s and TU104s only used sub fleets to the west , which makes sense , radios and imperial altimeters etc. TABSO-Bulgaria I think only operated weekly in the summer , Malev 1l18s had different prop bosses so you knew which one it was before it actually passed you, once again some colours ere common others rare. I dont recall TAROM operating to LHR back then-mid/late 60s. so it was basically Aeroflot, CSA and LOT who also flew IL18s . I dont

I flew on a CSA 1l 62 which was actually very nice internally with a very smart non eastern style paint scheme. Cabin service was very good with free Czech beer offered to all just after take off , If you know anyhting about Czech Republic or as it was, Czechoslovakia you will know beer is their lifesblood and is drunk like water . Wife flew on an IL 18 and Antonov F27 look alike in Bulgaria and was not impressed as boith very noisy and vibrated a lot, Both internal flights so no catering.

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I think the CSA (and Cubana) Britannias used to come to the UK for major checks, initially to Filton for as long as Bristol/BAC did them, then at Monarch at Luton. If either company's aircraft was off line for a check they would borrow from the other.

Cabin service was very good with free Czech beer offered to all just after take off
CSA were still very good with that 10 years ago, before it all fell away for them. I used to use them on London-Prague-St Petersburg as a notably cheaper alternative to the direct flight; they always came in and out of LED at the same time as BA and parked on the next stand. Even then, during the stopover there was still a large somewhat socialist-style cafeteria in Prague terminal, rather like a factory canteen but with great Czech food and drink. A week before Christmas CSA gave out nice chocolate Santas on the catering trays.
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