Name that Flying Machine
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From: Quite near 'An aerodrome somewhere in England'
Noyade is closest! In fact it was the prototype Messenger. It was subsequently fitted with a single fin and rudder, but that proved inadequate and the aircraft was refitted with the triple fin layout.
That photo is sometimes incorrectly captioned as a Mercury. However, the prototype was indeed converted from a Mercury.
Clever little STOL aeroplane, the Messenger - it had a 22KIAS stalling speed!
That photo is sometimes incorrectly captioned as a Mercury. However, the prototype was indeed converted from a Mercury.
Clever little STOL aeroplane, the Messenger - it had a 22KIAS stalling speed!
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From: New South Wales
Looking at Brown's Big Book on Miles Machines - if you cropped your challenge image from the HM583 photo seen above - then it's definitely a Miles M.28 Mk.II Mercury.
It was U-0232 that was used for the prototype Messenger, not U-0237/HM583.....
So I'm for giving the baton to Beamr
Cheers!
It was U-0232 that was used for the prototype Messenger, not U-0237/HM583.....
So I'm for giving the baton to Beamr
Cheers!
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From: Outer ring of HEL
Interesting caption from that book, I just had a vague idea I've seen that tail somewhere and stumbled on the picture trying to figure out what it was...
To keep things going here's the next one, though I reckon this'll be solved in a flash.
To keep things going here's the next one, though I reckon this'll be solved in a flash.
Last edited by Beamr; 10th January 2023 at 06:22.
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From: Outer ring of HEL
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two separate SIDE OPENING canopies???
"It runs a US made engine but otherwise is entirely designed in EU." - so unlikely to be UK or France. Designed but not necessarily built in the EU - that takes out Switzerland, Russia, Turkey
most places design is really important -
"It runs a US made engine but otherwise is entirely designed in EU." - so unlikely to be UK or France. Designed but not necessarily built in the EU - that takes out Switzerland, Russia, Turkey
most places design is really important -
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we have a winner!
Bielik, the white tail eagle in English. After trials it never really got on its wings so only one was built with General Electric CJ610-6 engine. Fast forward 15 years and Poland chose the South Korean KAI T-50 Golden Eagle as their future jet trainer. Not that the Bielik would've ever been a real contestor but at least that's what it was built for.
All yours Noyade!
Bielik, the white tail eagle in English. After trials it never really got on its wings so only one was built with General Electric CJ610-6 engine. Fast forward 15 years and Poland chose the South Korean KAI T-50 Golden Eagle as their future jet trainer. Not that the Bielik would've ever been a real contestor but at least that's what it was built for.
All yours Noyade!
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From: New South Wales
Thanks for that Beamr. I started googling 'new jet trainers' with various countries attached. I'm amazed what's out there that I've never seen before. There was a time when you could walk out of your local bookshop with the latest information on current military/civil aircraft - but those inexpensive books are gone, and so is the bookshop.
