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BOAC B747-136 Routes

Old 4th Jul 2019, 22:37
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BOAC B747-136 Routes

Anyone have a list of the regular routes out of LHR? East Coast USA obvs but did they ever get as far as LAX or SFO?
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Old 4th Jul 2019, 23:19
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I went to Nairobi on one in '71.

Think I've asked this before but a vague idea we stopped at Frankfurt. Also Entebee but that may have been by VC-10 in '69.
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Old 5th Jul 2019, 08:23
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I think the 747-136 eventually did the West coast to replace the 707 and VC10 but with a YYC or YEG stop ?

Re NBO/JNB I think it stopped at FCO or FRA (certainly at first) as NBO non-stop was too far

They also went to the Middle East - Far East - and Australasia but with oodles of stops

Try and find a mid 70's BA time table and that will help you or this https://www.routesonline.com/news/38...ental-network/

Also the LHR-LAX was op'd by ANZ DC-10 30's on a lease with BA until the RR -236 arrived when they took over the West Coast
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I believe that British Airtours did a Gatwick - LAX rotation stopping at Winnipeg outbound (I'm not sure about inbound) and that would probably have been a 136.

I know from a flight deck visit that 136 & 236s were operated by the same crews. I believe that they also had the same pax configuration. I was travelling to Toronto on a 236 which was probably a late substitution. The same could be done in reverse but at the expense of payload for a long distance route. Pan Am operated to the West Coast for many years with 121s although they really weren't really suitable and were very payload restricted. Of course anything operated by a 747 before the 236s arrived in, I believe, 1974 but am happy to be corrected, would have been a 136 operation.
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Originally Posted by Peter47 View Post
I believe that British Airtours did a Gatwick - LAX rotation stopping at Winnipeg outbound (I'm not sure about inbound) and that would probably have been a 136.

I know from a flight deck visit that 136 & 236s were operated by the same crews. I believe that they also had the same pax configuration. I was travelling to Toronto on a 236 which was probably a late substitution. The same could be done in reverse but at the expense of payload for a long distance route. Pan Am operated to the West Coast for many years with 121s although they really weren't really suitable and were very payload restricted. Of course anything operated by a 747 before the 236s arrived in, I believe, 1974 but am happy to be corrected, would have been a 136 operation.
KT British Airtours had a brand new RR 747-236 G-BDXL direct from Boeing in 1984 (negus) for TA charters - it was in a high density config - This a/c then went to mainline
In 1986 KT obtained G-BMGS (landor) an ex SAS -283B which was then passed to CKT Caledonian
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I stand corrected....
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Late 70's some of the Sydney flights used -136 and stopped in Hong Kong and Muscat BA012 I think..
Normally through Muscat about 0200 local time, but if late, ie. daylight, then it was often too hot to go direct to LHR and a tech stop would be made.
I was on one flight that stopped in Athens in the afternoon for two hours without a working APU.
After the Iran revolution in Jan 1979, more BA flights used Muscat instead of Tehran. I saw 4 BA 747s on the ramp together one night, I think they were all -136.
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The -136 served Oz until the late 80s! There was a daily service to SYD which stopped both ways at SIN and variously at BAH, AUH or MCT also. Outbound they then fanned out across Oz usually on a shuttle from SYD to BNE, MEL or ADL. There was also a 3 weekly service by -236 from LHR to BOM and PER. Twice a week this flew non-stop to AKL and once via SYD to AKL. Likewise there were a couple of -236 services a week via BKK to SYD. This was pretty much continued until the -436 took over. There was a flight crew base maintained in SYD where a 3 month posting could be had living in rented accommodation and flying the routes around the antipodes and up to BKK and SIN.
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Old 6th Jul 2019, 05:47
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LHR - FRA - BAH - BKK - HKG - DRW -SYD
LHR - ZRH - THR - BOM - SIN - PER - SYD
LHR - BAH - SIN - SYD
LHR - MCT - SIN - MEL
LHR - ZRH - NBO - JNB
LHR - NBO - MRU (1 week off for the crew)
LHR - THR - BOM - HKG - MEL - AKL
JFK - BDA - JFK
LHR - BDA - KIN - MEX
LHR - ANC - HND
Various Caribbean routes NAS ANU BGI
The 136's couldn't do LAX or SFO until the 236's came along, so they were left to the Mini fleet (707's VC-10's
I have the BOAC menus for most of the above.
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Originally Posted by Flightwatch View Post
The -136 served Oz until the late 80s! There was a daily service to SYD which stopped both ways at SIN and variously at BAH, AUH or MCT also. Outbound they then fanned out across Oz usually on a shuttle from SYD to BNE, MEL or ADL. There was also a 3 weekly service by -236 from LHR to BOM and PER. Twice a week this flew non-stop to AKL and once via SYD to AKL. Likewise there were a couple of -236 services a week via BKK to SYD. This was pretty much continued until the -436 took over. There was a flight crew base maintained in SYD where a 3 month posting could be had living in rented accommodation and flying the routes around the antipodes and up to BKK and SIN.
Yes - I seem to remember using them to the Far east well into the mid-80's................ they started to look a bit frayed by the end of that time - especially when the competition had upgraded big time
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LHR - BDA - KIN - MEX
T'was my first ever widebody flight as a spotty 13 year old in 1978 (LHR-BDA leg and back). Out on G-AWNH on 28th June, back on G-AWNL on 23rd July.

The smell of jet fuel, mixed with humid tropical air, as I walked down the steps in the afternoon sun at Kindley Field, remains with me today.
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I flew in G-AWNJ as late as February 1990, LHR-Abu Dhabi-Singapore (BA1011).

If I remember correctly the Singapore flights then were normally BA11 and 12 with the -436, but this one was substituted, via Abu Dhabi.

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Originally Posted by Flightwatch View Post
The -136 served Oz until the late 80s! There was a daily service to SYD which stopped both ways at SIN and variously at BAH, AUH or MCT also. Outbound they then fanned out across Oz usually on a shuttle from SYD to BNE, MEL or ADL. There was also a 3 weekly service by -236 from LHR to BOM and PER. Twice a week this flew non-stop to AKL and once via SYD to AKL. Likewise there were a couple of -236 services a week via BKK to SYD. This was pretty much continued until the -436 took over. There was a flight crew base maintained in SYD where a 3 month posting could be had living in rented accommodation and flying the routes around the antipodes and up to BKK and SIN.
Something a left seat acquaintance of mine managed to organise for several UK winters in a row.....

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Old 6th Jul 2019, 21:22
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The 136's couldn't do LAX or SFO until the 236's came along, so they were left to the Mini fleet (707's VC-10's
I know there was a subfleet of long range B707-336Bs but did the VC10 really beat the original Jumbo on range?
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I know there was a subfleet of long range B707-336Bs but did the VC10 really beat the original Jumbo on range?
The VC-10s AFAIK didn't have the same range as the 747 -136's. From memory the SVC-10 did the BA591/2 LHR - JFK - LAX - HNL - NAD - MEL and back.
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The RAF sent me to Nairobi as a pax on a BOAC 747 in Jan' 72 - definitely a direct flight.
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Originally Posted by Skipness One Foxtrot View Post

I know there was a subfleet of long range B707-336Bs but did the VC10 really beat the original Jumbo on range?
I am sure the VC-10 could do Entebbe and NBO non-stop back to LGW but I do not think the early 747-136's could do NBO-LHR non-stop - My pal used to fly them often on the NBO/JNB but am sure he said they stopped at FRA or FCO....
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Originally Posted by Brian 48nav View Post
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The RAF sent me to Nairobi as a pax on a BOAC 747 in Jan' 72 - definitely a direct flight.
Ah thanks, direct as in non-stop?

- maybe it was the homebound back to LHR that had to stop?
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My pal used to fly them often on the NBO/JNB but am sure he said they stopped at FRA or FCO....
BOAC/BA had traffic rights from/to various European routes to certain long haul destinations.

I certainly operated NBO - LHR non stop many times on the 136's
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