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Old 2nd Feb 2019, 20:58
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Aircraft seats for sale.

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Does anyone recognize these ? They are descibed as being fom a DH night-bomber,but as they would not accomodate parachutes,I am extremely dubious !
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Old 2nd Feb 2019, 22:38
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Sound more like passenger seats to me, but will leave it to the experts! Maybe out of a Dove or Heron?
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Old 2nd Feb 2019, 23:30
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I've never seen seats like that on a Dove or Heron. Night bomber? Definitely not from a Mosquito. Can I see ashtrays on the armrests? If positively DH, perhaps they're from a Flamingo transport?
EvansB from the What Cockpit days will probably know.
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Old 3rd Feb 2019, 09:06
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The board at the underside of the seats suggest a luggage restraint, so it seems that these are pax seats.
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Old 3rd Feb 2019, 09:36
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The blurb says 'originally bolted together' which would definitely indicate passenger seats.
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Old 3rd Feb 2019, 10:35
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Not Rapide seats either....
Maybe from a Valetta/Varsity/Hastings...
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Old 3rd Feb 2019, 12:27
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Ah - a DH Valetta eh ?
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Clearly some aspects of the description on Facebook need to be taken with a pinch of salt. The fact that it's a double seat (with a hinged centre armrest) implies that they must be from a cabin that's at least 3-abreast.

They look a bit austere for either an Albatross or a Flamingo, and you can also see what looks like seat-tray latches on the backs (plus holes for plug-in trays in the armrests), so I think more likely a post-war type - perhaps one of the earlier versions of that famous DH night-bomber, the Comet.



https://www.jetphotos.com/photo/8413860

As for "scrapped down in the West Country", well a couple of the RAF's Comet C.2s were broken up at Lyneham, so I suppose if one is a bit geographically-challenged ...
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Old 3rd Feb 2019, 22:11
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Bear in mind the RAF fitted rearward facing passenger seats to its passenger aircraft thus explaining the under seat leg restraint.
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Old 4th Feb 2019, 00:51
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They look similar to the Mosquito seat, but missing the slots for the shoulder straps. Mosquito crew didn't wear chutes, hence no recess in the seat pan, they used chest mounted chutes, on the fighter they were stored on the floor ahead of the nav by the entrance door, bomber not sure.
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Old 4th Feb 2019, 07:44
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Originally Posted by megan View Post
They look similar to the Mosquito seat, but missing the slots for the shoulder straps. Mosquito crew didn't wear chutes, hence no recess in the seat pan, they used chest mounted chutes, on the fighter they were stored on the floor ahead of the nav by the entrance door, bomber not sure.
I can't think of any military aircraft where the pilot/nav seats were bolted together side-by-side. In fact in most if not all Mosquito variants, the crew seats were also offset longitudinally from each other.

My money is still on pax seats (the tray attachments would support that) and, assuming the DH part is correct, likely from a Comet.
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I agree with Dave, those are not Mosquito seats. Here's a picture of the pilot's seat of (I suspect) KA114 - Avspec's first Mossie. I've sat in both seats in that cockpit and confirm that the nav's seat is further aft, to allow a narrower fuselage without any shoulder overlaps.


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Old 4th Feb 2019, 15:11
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Alo,
The facebook seats are ex-R.A.F. Hastings or Beverly seats.
The 'photo from David is of ex-R.A.F. Britannia/Andover seats.
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Old 4th Feb 2019, 16:48
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Originally Posted by aloominumtoob View Post
The facebook seats are ex-R.A.F. Hastings or Beverly seats.
I wouldn't argue with that (though of course it would mean that the de Havilland reference in the Facebook post was also incorrect, as well as the "night bomber" bit). Both Hastings and Beverley would fit with the "scrapped in the 60s" reference.

Originally Posted by aloominumtoob View Post
The 'photo from David is of ex-R.A.F. Britannia/Andover seats.
The photo is of a Comet C.2 interior (click on the link below the photo), but they may well be the same seats as fitted on the Brit and Andover.

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RAF Britannia interiors from my time with 99 Sqn 1959 - 1963. Photos 1 and 2 are looking forward, photo 3 looking to the rear.





















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The asymmetric top contour suggests mounting on curved port side of aircraft and in this respect is identical to photos of the offset Mosquito pilot seats online. However, as Megan notes, there's no slot for straps.
Perhaps two pilot seats but modified & joined later?
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Old 5th Feb 2019, 07:27
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Originally Posted by Max Tow View Post
The asymmetric top contour suggests mounting on curved port side of aircraft and in this respect is identical to photos of the offset Mosquito pilot seats online. However, as Megan notes, there's no slot for straps.
Perhaps two pilot seats but modified & joined later?
I don't see any "asymmetric top contour".

The reason the top of one of the seats appears slightly higher is simply that the other seat is missing a back leg (you can just discern the bracket to which it would have been bolted in photo #6) and is therefore tilted back a bit more.
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"I don't see any asymmetric top contour". Really? If you look closely, there is a definite angling in of the right side of both the seat backs in the photo (i.e. to the occupants left side) which is presumably to fit a tight fuselage or canopy side contour. Possibly the reported joining might be a red herring, i.e. these might be two individual pilot seats which have been modified, otherwise why contour both? Plenty of photos online of Mosquito pilot seats with similar backs but hopefully someone from Salisbury Hall will come along to confirm or deny!

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Originally Posted by aloominumtoob View Post
Alo,
The facebook seats are ex-R.A.F. Hastings or Beverly seats.
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They look nothing like the seats from Beverley XB259 that found their way into the hands of 152 Sqn ATC.
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Old 5th Feb 2019, 12:49
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Originally Posted by Max Tow View Post
Possibly the reported joining might be a red herring, i.e. these might be two individual pilot seats which have been modified, otherwise why contour both?
Yes, it's possible that they weren't joined, though at this rate we'll have discounted pretty well everything in the description of them on that Facebook page.

Sticking solely to the photos, which can't lie, if they are actually single seats (whether asymmetric or not), then that would put the Heron and Dove/Devon back in the frame, so they could still be passenger seats (which would also explain the fittings for both seat-back and plug-in trays).
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