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Old 12th Apr 2021, 16:56
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Originally Posted by LGS6753 View Post
Britannia certainly did that (A UK outbound, B return) but I'm not sure when that started.
Perusing some old airport mayflys for Luton, Britannia were using the "A" and "B" suffixes in 1977 apart from their trooping flights to Germany which were always 3 figures in the BY9** range.
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Old 12th Apr 2021, 23:49
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Originally Posted by bean View Post
Actually, Dan-Air call were not so simple
Positioning flights usedcthe number 99 followed by the last two letters of the aircraft reg. Eg 99victorgolf.
The only other use of alpha numerics was an experiment in 1982, all letters of the alphabet were used except A and D.
1st letter was B then a 4 denoting a 1-11 or a 6 denoting a 748. So 24 letters used. Eg DA001 B6BB, DA024 B6BZ. DA025 C6BB, DA048 C6CZ.
These were the only examples of alpha numerics used by Dan
Sorry,a bit late,but it's the first time I've looked at this thread.There was a trial of alpha-numerics in the very late 80s,or early 90s.I didn't arrive at LATCC until 1988,and I can remember an occasion when on the Pole Hill sector,I had a Dan Air,and a Midland on the frequency at the same time,both of which had the same Alpha-numeric suffix to their call sign,and all three of us were becoming confused at times.They were something like BD498AB,and DA498AB.Thankfully the trial didn't last long !
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Old 13th Apr 2021, 00:10
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Originally Posted by ExSp33db1rd View Post
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An earlier post queried the call sign Clipper One, or Two. and a response was that Clipper Two was the Round the World service Westwards from USA. Not sure if all airlines followed the protocol, i.e. was it an ICAO thing ? but I recall flight numbers followed the principle " Evens go East " e.g. BA 510 went to New York and BA 509 came back.
My memory dims,but wasn't Speedbird 1 (or as they would say "Speedbird concorde 1") the EGLL to KJFK service ?
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Old 13th Apr 2021, 06:46
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Originally Posted by ex82watcher View Post
My memory dims,but wasn't Speedbird 1 (or as they would say "Speedbird concorde 1") the EGLL to KJFK service ?
Yes.

BA (as distinct from BOAC) has never adopted the east/west-odd/even rule.
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Old 13th Apr 2021, 18:55
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Originally Posted by ex82watcher View Post
Sorry,a bit late,but it's the first time I've looked at this thread.There was a trial of alpha-numerics in the very late 80s,or early 90s.I didn't arrive at LATCC until 1988,and I can remember an occasion when on the Pole Hill sector,I had a Dan Air,and a Midland on the frequency at the same time,both of which had the same Alpha-numeric suffix to their call sign,and all three of us were becoming confused at times.They were something like BD498AB,and DA498AB.Thankfully the trial didn't last long !
The first trial of alpha numerics was done in conjunction with Dan-Air in 1982. I can, if necessary, explain how the system worked
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Old 14th Apr 2021, 09:25
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Originally Posted by bean View Post
The first trial of alpha numerics was done in conjunction with Dan-Air in 1982. I can, if necessary, explain how the system worked
Hi Bean,yes ,I'd be interested to hear about that.It's a long time ago now,but I still remember the event I referred to,It was at a weekend,so I was working the Pole Hill/Irish Sea sector 'bandboxed',and I think the Dan was a joiner out of EGNT,can't remember much about the Midland,but they were taking each other's calls,and I did report the circumstances to the supervisor's desk at the time.
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Old 14th Apr 2021, 12:22
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Dan Air used alphanumeric callsigns for their LBA-based Link City flights. The evening flight to Glasgow was DA B6ER and the return was DA B6ES. I don't remember if alphanumerics were also used on the Channel Islands flights.
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Old 14th Apr 2021, 13:48
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Originally Posted by DaveReidUK View Post
Yes.

BA (as distinct from BOAC) has never adopted the east/west-odd/even rule.
Didn't this change when the flight numbers went over to the new BA logic in about 1978, round about when the "BeaLine" callsign was dropped. For many years, only Lufthansa and Canada 3000 operated on the North Atlantic with even numbers west and odd numbers East. So "evens go East" was almost completely flipped by the late 80s early 90s.
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Old 14th Apr 2021, 16:42
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Originally Posted by Skipness One Foxtrot View Post
Didn't this change when the flight numbers went over to the new BA logic in about 1978, round about when the "BeaLine" callsign was dropped. For many years, only Lufthansa and Canada 3000 operated on the North Atlantic with even numbers west and odd numbers East. So "evens go East" was almost completely flipped by the late 80s early 90s.
Not totally correct. I started listening to ATC in 1962 & Swissair & Alitalia were using even numbers forAtlantic westbounds then; & continued to do so throughout my years as an ATCO - 1971 to 2008.
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Old 15th Apr 2021, 17:36
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Oh you're right I forgot about Swissair and forgot I ever knew about Alitalia, which I would have done given hours listening to Scottish high level and Shanwick.
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