Airline Call Signs
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Airline Call Signs
When I was a lad, all those years ago, there was a number of airline call signs that were not as mundane as the airline name, but did have some connection. Pan Am was ‘Clipper’ (who remembers “This is the Clipper One” as if it was the only flight that had ever arrived in Europe? Presumably the pilots had to wind themselves up on their seats before calling anyone in European radar), Air 2000 was ‘Jetset’, which I thought was rather nice, Canadian Pacific Airlines was ‘Empress’, and the Kiwis were ‘Teal’, an acknowledgement to their ancestry as Tasman Empire Airways Limited. Those first three examples no longer are with us, and the Kiwis rather boringly announce themselves as ‘New Zealand’ these days.
The only call signs that I can immediately think of that are just that tad obscure and still in use are ‘Speedbird’, ‘Shamrock’ and ‘Springbok’. So the questions are:
• Can anyone think of any other, current or historic, call signs used by the larger carriers (there are some slightly obscure names in use by small and charter operators), that are not immediately connectable to the airline name?
• Does anyone know when Air New Zealand (formed, I see, on 1 April 1965), stopped using ‘Teal’?
And then for those who have a Transport Command pedigree…
I can remember a summer trogging all round the Mediterranean at the end of the 1970s as a supernumerary in a Whistling Wheelbarrow… and I am sure that the call sign used was ‘Ascot’. Elsewhere, I see that the current RAF call sign is ‘Rafair’. Can anyone help with whether ‘Ascot’ no longer is used (perhaps it was dropped to avoid confusion with One’s Landau when it’s on short finals for the home straight to open Ladies’ Day at Royal Ascot)? And, if it’s still in use, what determines whether ‘Rafair’ or ‘Ascot’ is given to a particular flight?
The only call signs that I can immediately think of that are just that tad obscure and still in use are ‘Speedbird’, ‘Shamrock’ and ‘Springbok’. So the questions are:
• Can anyone think of any other, current or historic, call signs used by the larger carriers (there are some slightly obscure names in use by small and charter operators), that are not immediately connectable to the airline name?
• Does anyone know when Air New Zealand (formed, I see, on 1 April 1965), stopped using ‘Teal’?
And then for those who have a Transport Command pedigree…
I can remember a summer trogging all round the Mediterranean at the end of the 1970s as a supernumerary in a Whistling Wheelbarrow… and I am sure that the call sign used was ‘Ascot’. Elsewhere, I see that the current RAF call sign is ‘Rafair’. Can anyone help with whether ‘Ascot’ no longer is used (perhaps it was dropped to avoid confusion with One’s Landau when it’s on short finals for the home straight to open Ladies’ Day at Royal Ascot)? And, if it’s still in use, what determines whether ‘Rafair’ or ‘Ascot’ is given to a particular flight?
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During my time ASCOT was a c/s used by the 1 Group (later 38 Group) Transport Fleet: eg Hercules C1 were ASCOT 4xxx and Hercules C3 were Ascot 5xxx.
ASCOT had been inherited and stood for Air Support Command Operational Tasking.
RAFAIR was used on overseas flights by non Transport Fleet aircraft such as Nimrods when deploying to Cyprus, or Dominies on overseas trainers. The callsign block on the Flight Plan would be filled in as: RFR.
ASCOT had been inherited and stood for Air Support Command Operational Tasking.
RAFAIR was used on overseas flights by non Transport Fleet aircraft such as Nimrods when deploying to Cyprus, or Dominies on overseas trainers. The callsign block on the Flight Plan would be filled in as: RFR.
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Nowadays Rafair (ICAO RFR) tends to be used by fast jets, helicopters, Tucanos, etc while Ascot (ICAO RRR) will typically be a 146, Voyager, A400M, C17, etc.
Some present-day callsigns that spring to mind include China Airlines "Dynasty", Virgin America "Redwood", AirAsia X "Xanadu", Jetstar Japan "Orange Liner".
Some present-day callsigns that spring to mind include China Airlines "Dynasty", Virgin America "Redwood", AirAsia X "Xanadu", Jetstar Japan "Orange Liner".
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Does anyone know when Air New Zealand (formed, I see, on 1 April 1965), stopped using ‘Teal’?
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Diverging from the actual question asked, but relevant to the Ascot & Rafair question; who remembers the RAF five letter "registrations" written on the black nose radome of the Hastings - MOGCC etc; & the Varsities with MPTLA etc. ? I think I also remember the Beverley used the same call sign system.
What was the origin of these ?
What was the origin of these ?
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Clipper One as I recall was Pan Am's east-bound round the world flight and Clipper Two was west bound. Is that right?
BEA were Bealine, not remit of the question though.
Military Airlift Command used to be MAC followed by the aircraft's FY serial, though I gather if, say, C-5 70-0446 had gone tits up on the ramp, and 70-0457 flew the mission, the flight planned serial was used! My teenage spotter's logbook was a tissue of lies folks...
BEA were Bealine, not remit of the question though.
Military Airlift Command used to be MAC followed by the aircraft's FY serial, though I gather if, say, C-5 70-0446 had gone tits up on the ramp, and 70-0457 flew the mission, the flight planned serial was used! My teenage spotter's logbook was a tissue of lies folks...
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Originally Posted by kcockayne
Diverging from the actual question asked, but relevant to the Ascot & Rafair question; who remembers the RAF five letter "registrations" written on the black nose radome of the Hastings - MOGCC etc; & the Varsities with MPTLA etc. ? I think I also remember the Beverley used the same call sign system.
What was the origin of these ?
What was the origin of these ?
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Wikipedia has a list, didn't t know there where that many 
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List...ine_codes_(0–9)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List...ine_codes_(0–9)
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Originally Posted by GemDeveloper
When I was a lad, all those years ago, there was a number of airline call signs that were not as mundane as the airline name, but did have some connection. Pan Am was ‘Clipper’ (who remembers “This is the Clipper One” as if it was the only flight that had ever arrived in Europe? Presumably the pilots had to wind themselves up on their seats before calling anyone in European radar), Air 2000 was ‘Jetset’, which I thought was rather nice, Canadian Pacific Airlines was ‘Empress’, and the Kiwis were ‘Teal’, an acknowledgement to their ancestry as Tasman Empire Airways Limited. Those first three examples no longer are with us, and the Kiwis rather boringly announce themselves as ‘New Zealand’ these days.
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Originally Posted by ian16th
Isn't it true that once created, an airline cannot change its call sign?
Hence SAA is still Springbok.
Hence SAA is still Springbok.
Last edited by chevvron; 19th Jan 2018 at 04:05.
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I believe Bealine is used by British Airways tugs at Heathrow.
Jet2 still uses Channex.
About a hundred years ago Northeast Airlines (the British one) was using either Norjet or Norprop regardless of aircraft type. I don't know why they didn't use Northeast. Then after the BA amalgamation the callsign was variously Albion or Bealine until about 1980 when Speedbird found its way to the Regional fleet.
This subject was discussed on here about ten years ago so it may be in the archive. I started it !
Jet2 still uses Channex.
About a hundred years ago Northeast Airlines (the British one) was using either Norjet or Norprop regardless of aircraft type. I don't know why they didn't use Northeast. Then after the BA amalgamation the callsign was variously Albion or Bealine until about 1980 when Speedbird found its way to the Regional fleet.
This subject was discussed on here about ten years ago so it may be in the archive. I started it !
