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Old 12th Feb 2021, 13:27
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Speedbird 12 was my favourite in the '70s.
Hong Kong, Muscat, London.
My Gozome bird when I was at Seeb.
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Old 12th Feb 2021, 14:07
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Originally Posted by dixi188 View Post
Speedbird 12 was my favourite in the '70s.
Hong Kong, Muscat, London.
My Gozome bird when I was at Seeb.
I stand to be corrected, but as someone who spent some 4 years with BA in Muscat the BA11/BA12 routeing was always LHR/MCT/SIN/SYD and return...at least during the early '80's. Maybe the route changed in later years?
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Old 12th Feb 2021, 19:57
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I don’t know about differentiating between east & west bound departures but, from the 60s onwards the following airlines used even numbers on departures from Europe to USA/Canada :-
DLH, AZA, SWR
& the following used odd:-
AFR, BAW, EIN, KLM, SAB, IBE, SAS, AFL, OAL, TWA, PAA, ELY, AIC, TAP, KAC.
The others I am not certain about.

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Old 12th Feb 2021, 21:14
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Was it Dan-Air that at one time (1980s maybe) used a callsign suffix of Alpha for Away, and Bravo for Back?






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Old 12th Feb 2021, 21:15
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Britannia certainly did that (A UK outbound, B return) but I'm not sure when that started.
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Old 12th Feb 2021, 22:22
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From BOAC days - it was “odd” to leave Great Britain.
From my logbooks ... early 60's, many examples of leaving Great Britain for Rome, Beirut, Teheran etc. on the BA 900. and back on the BA 901, which supports my memory of Evens go East.
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Old 12th Feb 2021, 23:07
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Originally Posted by longboat View Post
I stand to be corrected, but as someone who spent some 4 years with BA in Muscat the BA11/BA12 routeing was always LHR/MCT/SIN/SYD and return...at least during the early '80's. Maybe the route changed in later years?
It may be memory fade by me.
I'm thinking of the VC-10 operation.
I think the 747s started in SYD.
Used to call BA about 7pm. to check if it was on time. One evening I was told that the 747 hadn't left SYD yet. Cue, quick dash to get Gulf Air to Bahrain and catch a flight from there. I think I went KLM DC-10 to Amsterdam then BA Trident to Heathrow.
Over 40 years ago!
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Old 13th Feb 2021, 11:12
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I believe the odd number KLM uses is because the first flight in 1919 did not depart from Amsterdam, but from London to Amsterdam, it was therefore flight 101. I think this service still has this flight number, although with an extra zero. Is this the oldest flight number still in use on the same stretch?
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Old 13th Feb 2021, 12:56
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Was it Dan-Air that at one time (1980s maybe) used a callsign suffix of Alpha for Away, and Bravo for Back?
Yes - And Dan 99FA for empty positioning........
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Old 13th Feb 2021, 13:34
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Thanks, that's one I'd forgotten ..........
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Old 13th Feb 2021, 13:56
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Actually, Dan-Air call were not so simple
Positioning flights usedcthe number 99 followed by the last two letters of the aircraft reg. Eg 99victorgolf.
The only other use of alpha numerics was an experiment in 1982, all letters of the alphabet were used except A and D.
1st letter was B then a 4 denoting a 1-11 or a 6 denoting a 748. So 24 letters used. Eg DA001 B6BB, DA024 B6BZ. DA025 C6BB, DA048 C6CZ.
These were the only examples of alpha numerics used by Dan
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Old 13th Feb 2021, 17:24
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Originally Posted by washoutt View Post
I believe the odd number KLM uses is because the first flight in 1919 did not depart from Amsterdam, but from London to Amsterdam, it was therefore flight 101. I think this service still has this flight number, although with an extra zero. Is this the oldest flight number still in use on the same stretch?
I cannot find prove for this:
KL101 was used last in 2019 for a flight from London City to Antwerp.
I could not find data for flights KL0101
KL1101 is used for flights to Damman.


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Old 13th Feb 2021, 18:07
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SLB, you're putting the extra '0' in the wrong place.
In happier times, KL1001 is (was?) the first AMS-LHR flight each day.
Tot ziens, 'ZG
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Old 13th Feb 2021, 20:52
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Sorry you missed the humour Bean

A famous MAN based 1-11 Capt (Barry J) was inbound from LGW in an empty aircraft when an equally famous Manchester air trafficker asked “what does the FA stand for? “
He replied “ no pax - as in sweet fanny Adams”

Except he didn’t say those exact words
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Old 13th Feb 2021, 21:34
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F.A. ? Can't remember the detail now, so doubtless will be corrected. Aircraft talking to a USA controller somewhere ? in the US used an offensive word, I 'think' the F word, and was immediately chastised by the controller, which resulted in many aircraft also on the freq. to deliberately repeat it e.g. " I didn't say F" and "Did you say F?" " I just heard someone say F " " Who said F ? " " Did I hear F ? " All without any identifying call signs. 0

Such fun.
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Old 13th Feb 2021, 21:44
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Originally Posted by Self loading bear View Post
I cannot find prove for this:
KL101 was used last in 2019 for a flight from London City to Antwerp.
FlightAware is/was getting confused.

KLM didn't operate LCY-Antwerp. Air Antwerp did, with a Fokker 50 - flight numbers were WP101 (maybe where the confusion arose), WP121, WP141, etc.

Perhaps KLM codeshared on the route?
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Old 13th Feb 2021, 22:03
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Thank you for correcting me on the KL 1001.
I am not such a flight tracker that I know when Flightaware would be upset.
I to wondered a bit about KLM flying on Antwerp.
But they indeed have a code sharing with Air Antwerp on that route.
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