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BAe ATP. What was wrong with it?

Old 25th May 2017, 06:33
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Originally Posted by Skipness One Echo View Post
No ATP built at PIK ever entered service, 2063 was built at WFD, the last ATP built. 2064 and 2065 were built as J61s with uprated engines and both were scrapped.
It's, inevitably, a bit more complicated than that, as the fuselages for the last ATP, and those two J61s, were all manufactured at Woodford and then trucked up to Prestwick for final assembly. As I understand it the last ATP and the first J61 had this done in 1992, the ATP was completed there and flown in May 1993, before the final Woodford-built ones, while it was another year before the sole J61 to be completed flew. As they were both then taken back to Woodford for further work, the whole exercise seems to have been somewhat futile.
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Old 25th May 2017, 15:42
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That's not correct, as I said, the last ATP, 2063 was assembled at and flown from Woodford. I was Prestwick based at the time, believe me not much else was happening in 1992/93.
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Old 25th May 2017, 16:54
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Originally Posted by WHBM View Post
while it was another year before the sole J61 to be completed flew
Both J61s flew, presumably in a substantially completed state.
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Old 26th May 2017, 19:52
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Originally Posted by WHBM View Post
It's, inevitably, a bit more complicated than that, as the fuselages for the last ATP, and those two J61s, were all manufactured at Woodford and then trucked up to Prestwick for final assembly. As I understand it the last ATP and the first J61 had this done in 1992, the ATP was completed there and flown in May 1993, before the final Woodford-built ones, while it was another year before the sole J61 to be completed flew. As they were both then taken back to Woodford for further work, the whole exercise seems to have been somewhat futile.
At the start of production ATP fuselages were built at Chadderton and moved by lorry overnight to Woodford, I always assumed this was how it was done for them all.

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Old 26th May 2017, 21:53
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The first flight of 2064 with the registration G-JLXI was on 10 May 1994. Subsequently this aircraft went on to get certification for the J 61 (with ATP Set 1) and flew at Farnborough. It had wacky writing down the side trying to show turbulence giving way to smooth flight. This aircraft and ATP Set 1 (G-MATP and then G-PLXI) were the mainstay of the J61 programme and both contributed to the J 61 certification. Set 65 only flew a few times and my only flight would seem to be in Jan 96. There was some flying after this but the programme seemed to stop dead. Anyone know when the J61 programme stopped?
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Old 26th May 2017, 22:22
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Could any fill me in on how the J61 differed from the ATP
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Old 26th May 2017, 22:32
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Originally Posted by Mickey Kaye View Post
Could any fill me in on how the J61 differed from the ATP
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Aerospace_ATP

Incidentally, the J61 is/was actually certificated (by the CAA only) as the "Jetstream Series 6100 Model 6102".
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Old 30th Jun 2017, 12:14
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With the wonderous advantage of 20/20 hindsight I cannot but wonder if the thread would better have been titled "What was right with the ATP?"

There again, that would most certainly have made for a very short thread.
I suspect that it would have struggled to make one line!
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Old 1st Jul 2017, 10:12
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Is it me, or can I no longer see the pictures on the forum? All I can see is a dial saying "100%. Please update your account etc." What do I need to update?? Please help.
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Old 1st Jul 2017, 10:14
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For some reason, I can no longer see the pictures on the forum. All I can see is a dial saying "100%, Please update your account" What account do I need to update? Please help.
Further, I cannot send messages shorter tha 100 characters, so I will repeat this text to make sure I pass the criterium.
Weird.
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Old 1st Jul 2017, 10:42
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Originally Posted by washoutt View Post
Is it me, or can I no longer see the pictures on the forum? All I can see is a dial saying "100%. Please update your account etc." What do I need to update?? Please help.
It's due to a sudden demand for money by Photobucket that has hit other forums too eg Home | Blackbushe Airport - The one-stop Forum
Apparently Photobucket want to charge you for attaching even your own photos to these forums.
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Old 2nd Jul 2017, 09:59
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Aha, so vote with your feet, as it were. No more Photobucket
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Old 2nd Jul 2017, 12:26
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Seeing photos

With ref to longer ron's post: if you right click on the broken image icon, you're offered "Copy image address." Take this, open a new window, post the address into the address bar (Ctrl-V) and Bingo! you see the picture.

This is with Chrome on Windows 10, but the mechanism looks fairly generic. Not an ideal procedure, but something until the problems are worked out.

Edit: this also works with the non-appearing Photobuggered images.

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Old 5th Jul 2017, 09:32
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Just to replace the link/image broken by the photobucket ransom fiasco

Whilst on a recent holiday in the Azores,walking on Sao Jorge Island,we walked up to the peak of Pico da Esperanca (1053 m).
Lovely walk but we knew it would take us past the very sad memorial to the worst ATP accident .
11 December 1999, ,SATA, Air Açores,CS-TGM

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