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Old 9th Aug 2015, 17:10
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I'm struggling to think of any other aircraft with a twin-mid-engined, contra-prop configuration (apart from the XB-42, but that was a pusher).

Any offers?
Dornier DO335
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Old 9th Aug 2015, 17:27
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The combo of mid engined twin with contra props is pretty rare.
The Do 335 had one engine in front, so does not qualify.
Given the headaches generated by combining a contra prop gear box and the long shafting to transmit the power, I think that rarity is deserved.
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Old 9th Aug 2015, 18:11
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Macchi-Castoldi MC72.
To clarify, by "twin-mid-engined" I meant two engines in the middle, ie behind the pilot.
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Old 9th Aug 2015, 18:29
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I don't think that I've ever wanted any object as much as I want this!

I'll contact the team with a view to a cash injection. Association with it will have to do. At least they might let me look at it.
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Old 9th Aug 2015, 19:00
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I wonder how much clearance is there between prop and ground when the tail comes up?
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Old 9th Aug 2015, 19:19
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it will not be welcome at many airfields due to the noise from those counter rotating props
Contra rotation does not necessarily make it noisy. Highly powerful turboprops and supersonic blade tips are more to blame, neither of which is on the 100P.

Low speed taxi tests with sound available here: https://www.facebook.com/TheBugatti100pProject (you can access this page without being a member of Facebook)

I always loved that airplane, can't wait to see it fly. The original one never did!
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Old 9th Aug 2015, 20:04
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Try the Heinkel He 119. DB606 (coupled double DB601E engine).

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Old 9th Aug 2015, 20:44
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Pretty airplane. I suspect that all those straight-cut gears might make the cockpit a bit noisy.
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Old 9th Aug 2015, 20:53
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Originally Posted by Onceapilot
Try the Heinkel He 119.
Nope, still looking for a a twin-mid-engined contra-prop.
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Old 9th Aug 2015, 22:25
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Looking at the video, I was surprised to see that the props are two-bladed. I would have thought a single four-bladed prop would have been lighter and simpler. Surely the torque cannot be that bad?
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Old 9th Aug 2015, 23:06
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Nope, still looking for a a twin-mid-engined contra-prop.
Pretty close, a twin (kinda) but not contra-rotating: Yokosuka R2Y1.


https://oldmachinepress.wordpress.co...ho-r2y1-keiun/
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Old 9th Aug 2015, 23:43
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If the aircraft is anything like his cars, it will go like the clappers, you won't be able to stop it - and any major and serious handling faults will be sneeringly dismissed as flying ability incompetence by the pilot.
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Old 9th Aug 2015, 23:54
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Originally Posted by Machdiamond
Contra rotation does not necessarily make it noisy. Highly powerful turboprops and supersonic blade tips are more to blame, neither of which is on the 100P.
What actually happens is an interference beween high speed turbulent airflows, this is why a conventional helicopter goes chop chop chop as the rotor downwash meets the tail rotor flow. It is also the reason why the Cessna 337 makes such a horrible noise despite the props being quite far apart.
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Old 10th Aug 2015, 01:25
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It will certainly be noisier than a single propeller of similar power, but I disagree that the comparison with a helicopter is granted. Maybe the 337, but the rear prop there is in a worse situation than the rear prop of a contrarotating.
Won't be long before we see and hear it at Airshow.

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Old 10th Aug 2015, 05:51
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Hello, here we are in Nostalgia, about time too.
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Old 10th Aug 2015, 08:09
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I took an (academic, I hasten to add) interest in that project some time back.
I must give everybody associated with it a hearty round of applause.
Can't wait to see it fly.


p.s. Now, what we need is someone with the wherewithall (and money) to produce a flying replica MC72.
Oh, and I should add, someone with the balls to fly it.

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Old 21st Aug 2015, 18:54
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I refer to my post #19 now that it barely flew with "80% power" and ran out of brakes!
Needs a pusher config with nosegear, VP PUSHER prop(s) and, decent brakes!

OAP
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Old 21st Aug 2015, 21:08
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OAP, reconfiguring to a pusher layout will mean a massive redesign, including some clever reballasting and a new undercarriage and anyway, why would you want to?
It seems to work well enough as designed.
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