Canberra or RB57
Assuming that you mean Albany, NY, I'm not aware of any military connection that would account for all those USAF aircraft lying around the field.
Nor can I find any historical photos of it with that distinctive hangar.
Nor can I find any historical photos of it with that distinctive hangar.
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I think the F-100C is FW-954 of the 4510th Combat Crew Training Wing based at Luke AFB AZ in 1958. It is the wing commanders aircraft wearing the fuselage stripes of each of the five squadrons.
Both the serial and the buzz number FW-753 are clearly visible in the hi-res version of the photo (see link in the very first post).
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Apologies! I paid more attention to the markings and didn't see the buzz no clearly.
Back to the drawing board as far as the markings are concerned.
However, the markings seem to be the same. I can't find a match anywhere else.
Can anyone read the name on the nose?
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Back to the drawing board as far as the markings are concerned.
However, the markings seem to be the same. I can't find a match anywhere else.
Can anyone read the name on the nose?
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Can anyone read the name on the nose?
And from Wikipedia: Susan Constant, captained by Christopher Newport, was the largest of three ships of the English Virginia Company (the others being Discovery and Godspeed) on the 1606-1607 voyage that resulted in the founding of Jamestown in the new Colony of Virginia.
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Thank you Dave for keeping me on my toes!
Belonged to the 452nd Fighter Day Squadron, 322nd FDW. The other two aircraft named in the UK were after the other two ships you mentioned: God Speed and Discovery.
In early May 1957 six aircraft deployed to RAF Bentwaters from Foster AFB, Texas. On the 11th May they flew to Heathrow for the ceremony on the Sunday, 12th May.
The three named aircraft left Heathrow on the 13th May and arrived at Jamestown 7h33m later, being refuelled by KB-50s of the 429th Air Refuelling Squadron en route.
Belonged to the 452nd Fighter Day Squadron, 322nd FDW. The other two aircraft named in the UK were after the other two ships you mentioned: God Speed and Discovery.
In early May 1957 six aircraft deployed to RAF Bentwaters from Foster AFB, Texas. On the 11th May they flew to Heathrow for the ceremony on the Sunday, 12th May.
The three named aircraft left Heathrow on the 13th May and arrived at Jamestown 7h33m later, being refuelled by KB-50s of the 429th Air Refuelling Squadron en route.
The three named aircraft left Heathrow on the 13th May and arrived at Jamestown 7h33m later, being refuelled by KB-50s of the 429th Air Refuelling Squadron en route.
Incidentally, the other 3 F-100s overflew Jamestown and continued to Los Angeles, setting a new world distance record for single-engined aircraft of 5835 nm.
Just looked across on the Facebook site. It looks like a couple of guys familiar with Stewart AFB in the past , one of whom at least served there, seem fairly confident that's the location of the image.
The F100C puts it certainly no earlier than 1955 and with everything else it seems not unreasonable to assume that the Pusher is likely to have been Palen's , before he wrote it off.
The F100C puts it certainly no earlier than 1955 and with everything else it seems not unreasonable to assume that the Pusher is likely to have been Palen's , before he wrote it off.
It looks like a couple of guys familiar with Stewart AFB in the past , one of whom at least served there, seem fairly confident that's the location of the image.
I don't think so :
Looking at :
https://www.facebook.com/groups/oldr...2796148752931/
"Mike G Lockhart Maybe Stewart AFB back in the day."
January 31 at 5:14pm ·
This guy is commenting before the F86/Bleriot shot was posted . ( February 1 at 8:20am )( I.e.about the original image we were discussing - to which the following comments apply:
Gil Halpin I think Mikes Guess is correct,it does look like Stewart back in the day
February 1 at 12:49pm
LeRoy Hogan Yeah the little hill looks familiar and the old hangar. I was in the air guard on that side of the base.
February 2 at 9:35pm
In any event the OP Comments about the second shot : "Okay...Here's another view, most likely from the same show as in the original post."
I would think most folks looking at the Facebook posting would probably concur.
Looking at :
https://www.facebook.com/groups/oldr...2796148752931/
"Mike G Lockhart Maybe Stewart AFB back in the day."
January 31 at 5:14pm ·
This guy is commenting before the F86/Bleriot shot was posted . ( February 1 at 8:20am )( I.e.about the original image we were discussing - to which the following comments apply:
Gil Halpin I think Mikes Guess is correct,it does look like Stewart back in the day
February 1 at 12:49pm
LeRoy Hogan Yeah the little hill looks familiar and the old hangar. I was in the air guard on that side of the base.
February 2 at 9:35pm
In any event the OP Comments about the second shot : "Okay...Here's another view, most likely from the same show as in the original post."
I would think most folks looking at the Facebook posting would probably concur.
I agree that the F-86 photo probably was taken at Stewart. F-86s were based there during most of the 1950s.
It appears to be taken on the old USAF ramp (now the terminal of Stewart International Airport) with Stewart's distinctive wedge-shaped hill in the background:
But the FB poster doesn't offer any reason for his "most likely from the same show" assertion, and neither the hill nor the hangars are the same ones as in the B-57 photo.
It appears to be taken on the old USAF ramp (now the terminal of Stewart International Airport) with Stewart's distinctive wedge-shaped hill in the background:
But the FB poster doesn't offer any reason for his "most likely from the same show" assertion, and neither the hill nor the hangars are the same ones as in the B-57 photo.
The" B-57" photo is demonstrably the one that the three posters Lockhart, Halpin, and Hogan( who himself served on the base) ,are referring to when giving their opinions regarding the likelihood of it being taken at Stewart. AFB .
The image you have helpfully provided also shows similar forestation to that visible in the background of the B-57 image.
The image you have helpfully provided also shows similar forestation to that visible in the background of the B-57 image.
The image you have helpfully provided also shows similar forestation to that visible in the background of the B-57 image.
Forestation is not the same as topography.
I have not evaluated the orientation of the ground photography and have insufficient detailed information to do so, as data recording the likely large changes in usage over time of whatever base this is are not in ready supply ( to me at least) The Stewart AFB suggestion comes from Americans more familiar with their country than I am. So what they do say regarding likely location seems more reasoned than, for example, suggesting a fairly arid scrub-land base in Utah, situated between high mountains and a large salt lake.
Purely from an assessment of the aircraft on site, I am sure it is post early 1955, ( the F100C) and if it is a Palen's first Curtis Pusher ( as the OP on FB has independently suggested) then that puts it as likely to be pre-1958 ,possibly backed up the presence of the SPADXIII and Avro 504.
Do note that I hold no absolute opinion yet on that Bleriot's provenance.
Lets see what develops.
I have not evaluated the orientation of the ground photography and have insufficient detailed information to do so, as data recording the likely large changes in usage over time of whatever base this is are not in ready supply ( to me at least) The Stewart AFB suggestion comes from Americans more familiar with their country than I am. So what they do say regarding likely location seems more reasoned than, for example, suggesting a fairly arid scrub-land base in Utah, situated between high mountains and a large salt lake.
Purely from an assessment of the aircraft on site, I am sure it is post early 1955, ( the F100C) and if it is a Palen's first Curtis Pusher ( as the OP on FB has independently suggested) then that puts it as likely to be pre-1958 ,possibly backed up the presence of the SPADXIII and Avro 504.
Do note that I hold no absolute opinion yet on that Bleriot's provenance.
Lets see what develops.
I certainly wouldn't argue with 1957.
Then the gathering could be for many reasons including , just possibly the 10th anniversary of the founding of the USAF.
Then the gathering could be for many reasons including , just possibly the 10th anniversary of the founding of the USAF.
