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Old 10th Apr 2013, 14:03
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On the mention of the late Margaret Thatcher as a VC10 fan; does anyone know which VC10's she flew in? State visits to US, Russia, etc.
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I presume they were RAF VC10's as BA took them out of service in 1980 / 81?
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During her 11 years or so as Prime Minister, Mrs Thatcher often used the VC 10s of No 10 Squadron for official overseas travel - to the extent that in August 1990 she was presented with a 'Logbook' to mark her 1000 hours of having done so. Her relationship with the unit and its personnel had earlier resulted in her agreeing to present a new standard in 1988, the first occasion, I believe, on which a serving PM did so.
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Thank you ICM; I guess there is plenty of film of her arriving in a VC10; I recall seeing something on the news yesterday; but could not make out the aircrafts registration.
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The engineers at Brooklands are doing a great job restoring the fuselage of G-ARVM, which was transfered from Cosford. All of the flight deck panels have been painted and the instruments serviced. They are currently in the painstaking process of putting it all back together.
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Thank you for drawing my attention to paras. 4 and 5. I had not read them before. The thought of fundraising occurred in mind and I put it down to read. However, I have gone through your suggested website but did not see what they are referring this project as or at least an address where those willing to participate in the project can send their contribution. Besides the Britons, most of us leave outside UK. I would appreciate that piece of information from you or anyone with the full details. I just love the SVC10s and VC10s and would one day visit the Museum or anywhere these beautiful planes would be stationed or refer to one of my sons currently studying Aeronautical Engineering.
Thank you.
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Kudos to the Engineers for doing a lovely job.
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Old 11th Apr 2013, 11:05
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Airclues; you are doing a great job with G-ARVM; my daughter and I are regular visitors to Brooklands and managed to take a look inside VM on a previous visit. I noticed that there was some RAF passenger seats in the cabin, I guess the original BA seats have long since gone? We liked the exhibition you have in the cabin too; very interesting. Will the flight deck 'come alive' and be powered up in anyway?
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Old 14th Apr 2013, 15:32
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Originally Posted by flyawaybird
I would appreciate that piece of information from you or anyone with the full details.
The museums that already have VC10s are:
-Imperial War Museum, Duxford, UK IWM Duxford | Imperial War Museums
But the large airliners are in the care of the Duxford Aviation Society: Duxford Aviation Society
-The Brooklands Museum, Weybridge, UK Brooklands Museum
-Flugausstellung L+P Junior, Hermeskeil, Germany Flugausstellung L.+P. Junior

Plans are for XR808 to go to the RAF Museum, Cosford, UK RAF Museum in London & RAF Museum Cosford - free family fun activities
And one other VC10 will be kept live at Bruntingthorpe in the care of GJD Services, the company which is currently engaged in scrapping the aircraft: aircraft dismantling, decommissioning, storage, Aircraft salvage Aviation salvage, parts certification

The other project which is underway is the one to keep one flying, info on that can be found in the forum on my site here: A Little VC10derness ? View topic - Keep one VC10 flying!
This thread chronicles the steps towards forming a group and has contact details for the two key persons on page 5. There is some info about GJD's plans on page 6.
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Old 15th Apr 2013, 22:06
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Thank you very much for the information regarding the VC-10s preservation and of course for your time.
I will embark on the references.
Just wanted to mention as for the VC-10 that will be kept flying, I will soon have news who among the former EAA Captains will be on the project.
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Neatly linking an earlier post and the last one, I was lucky enough to be at Cosford when G-ARVM flew in there (landed towards the railway embankment). It was purely coincidence that we had a school trip that day - we arrived to be met by a handle-barred RAF chap telling us 'there was a bit of a flap on'!

I believe that the BA captain that day was on his final flight before retirement. They did a low go-around first, then put it down. Quite a lot of reverse thrust noise as you can imagine! We were told that it was the shortest runway a VC-10 had landed on at that point (probably still is?).
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Originally Posted by Curious Pax
Neatly linking an earlier post and the last one, I was lucky enough to be at Cosford when G-ARVM flew in there (landed towards the railway embankment). It was purely coincidence that we had a school trip that day - we arrived to be met by a handle-barred RAF chap telling us 'there was a bit of a flap on'!

I believe that the BA captain that day was on his final flight before retirement. They did a low go-around first, then put it down. Quite a lot of reverse thrust noise as you can imagine! We were told that it was the shortest runway a VC-10 had landed on at that point (probably still is?).
I was at Cosford on that day too, I learned about Swept Wing Growth and Lamp Posts in a very short time.
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How long was (is?) that runway at Cosford? Is it shorter than the old runway at Brooklands (1460 yards of which 200 are at an angle)?
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How long was (is?) that runway at Cosford?
1186m (3890ft) (1296yds).

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that will teach him to park overnight in Liverpool

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So depending on whether the overrun at Brooklands counts as part of the runway you could say that Cosford is the shortest runway a VC10 landed on. Or not

Brooklands (without angled overrun):
1152m - 1260yds - 3780ft
Cosford:
1186m - 1296yds - 3890ft
Brooklands (with overrun):
1235m - 1460yds - 4052ft

The extra bit at Brooklands is the section between the cross and the banking below the trees, with the helicopter parked on it:


This image shows it at the Northern end as part of a 'turning circle'. It was added to enable VC10s to fly out of the site, but in the end a few were also flown back to their birthplace. The map below nicely shows how the aircraft could taxi from the flight sheds across the runway end and around the turning circle onto the overrun and take off from there, taking the turn onto the main runway at 30 knots.
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Keep one flying

Any update on the 'Keep one flying' project? Last post on VC10derness was January... Thanks
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Any update on the 'Keep one flying' project? Last post on VC10derness was January... Thanks
I should have mentioned that to keep up with this project it is best to contact one of the two coordinators through the details on page 5 of that thread (e-mail works fine). There are some things going on but they prefer to keep the results of the discussions off the internet until they can make their plans public, so these newsletters are only sent to the group members for now.
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