Any Borneo Whirlwind veterans here?
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Which cab is at Odiham?
There is always a danger with this scenario that the paint does not reflect the metalwork (which is the case with the Shawbury Wsx guardian) but the book 'RAF Rotors' suggests that on this occasion, the reg at least is genuine.
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You can see that it spent itrs last years in the UK. In Borneo there would be footmarks either side of the tail rotor shafts on the top of the boom where the youngest erk would trot down to put the tail rotor cover on.
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XR453 was one of the last batch of sixteen Mk 10s for the RAF and although XS412 has a later serial, it was delivered as a replacement for XP392 in October 1962 and hence predates the delivery of 453 to 485.
The two Mk 12s : XR486 and 487 came later.
453 served with CFS, 1563 Flt, 230 Sqn and back to CFS before being transferred to MOD(PE) and then on to Odiham.
I would have thought that sorting out 453 would have been a nice little project for a group of Westland apprentices.
I saw the aircraft when she was lined up with other helicopters for the dedication of the SH Memorial and then later when it was parked adjacent to the old SHQ building (now Regt Training Flt) and close to the memorial. It would be a pity if it were let go, as there are few early rotary wing examples left intact.
Incidentally, one of the leading lights in the 'one gate guardian movement' was a contemporary of mine and somebody I found remarkably unpleasant. After he left HM's employ he got a rather nice little earner but subsequently his - how can I put this delicately - flaws of character were exposed. Think he emigrated later!
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The two Mk 12s : XR486 and 487 came later.
453 served with CFS, 1563 Flt, 230 Sqn and back to CFS before being transferred to MOD(PE) and then on to Odiham.
I would have thought that sorting out 453 would have been a nice little project for a group of Westland apprentices.
I saw the aircraft when she was lined up with other helicopters for the dedication of the SH Memorial and then later when it was parked adjacent to the old SHQ building (now Regt Training Flt) and close to the memorial. It would be a pity if it were let go, as there are few early rotary wing examples left intact.
Incidentally, one of the leading lights in the 'one gate guardian movement' was a contemporary of mine and somebody I found remarkably unpleasant. After he left HM's employ he got a rather nice little earner but subsequently his - how can I put this delicately - flaws of character were exposed. Think he emigrated later!
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-: Objective achieved-DCO:-
A sure fire way of knowing when the end is nie is when you start making mistakes. That point has been reached and therefore this work is now complete. There were many other little anecdotes that I would have liked to include such as a stripped for (USL) flight 105mm gun, but they will have to wait for a Navy Wessex or a Belvedere another day. My 'Mission Statement' is the Preserving Aviation Heritage through Artand for those that have been there and done it; I hope you consider this aspiration, on this occasion; achieved. For the many contributers to this thread and especially those that were good enough to telephone and email me direct, you have my heart felt thanks. Thank you all.
Oil paint on stretched canvas. 36" x 24", completed 18 Aug 12.
Oil paint on stretched canvas. 36" x 24", completed 18 Aug 12.
Excellent T-M,feels pretty much like the tropics here today,and looking in the logbook ,I flew 332/E for 1h30 on Task ,on 18 Aug 1965....
Congratulations T-M, looks pretty good to me and will be a fitting tribute to those who operated or supported (on ground and in the air) the Whirlwind in Borneo.
It's 46 years ago last week that 'Confrontation' wrapped up (officially) that is - frightening to realise that those who were there are almost all OAPs now!!!
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It's 46 years ago last week that 'Confrontation' wrapped up (officially) that is - frightening to realise that those who were there are almost all OAPs now!!!
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Borneo Vet 230 sqn techy
Have some pics loaded on my PC of 230 Whirlwind Mk 10s operating out of Tawau and Sepulot 1965/66, but have no idea how to attach them to this message.
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To post an image they need to be placed on a website such as flikr . The web address (right click on the photo and copy the address from properties) can be linked to a page here. The max size is i believe 800 pixels wide. To place the image here you press the icon seen in the message writing panel that looks in appearance like a letter albeit with a mountain and the 'stamp' is the sun!
An altnative is to place [img] before the web address and [/img. ] without the dot or space after your image address. Hope that helps. If it all goes wrong, pm me with the address of the photo and i will do the link for you.
An altnative is to place [img] before the web address and [/img. ] without the dot or space after your image address. Hope that helps. If it all goes wrong, pm me with the address of the photo and i will do the link for you.
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230Sqn at Gutersloh
Hi Tiger Fans!
For our website www.sg-etuo.de we are looking for the serial numbers of the Whirlwind HAR10 of 230Sqn based in 1963 and 1964.
Does anybody know them?
Unfortunately we havn´t any pictures of Whirlwind of 230Sqn showing them at RAF Gütersloh.
Can anyone provide some?
Thanks
Marcus
For our website www.sg-etuo.de we are looking for the serial numbers of the Whirlwind HAR10 of 230Sqn based in 1963 and 1964.
Does anybody know them?
Unfortunately we havn´t any pictures of Whirlwind of 230Sqn showing them at RAF Gütersloh.
Can anyone provide some?
Thanks
Marcus
I cannot be positive about the Whirlwinds at Gutersloh but 230 Sqn was shipped en-masse to Labuan in 1965. As the only other green squadron, 225, went to Kuching so it would stand to reason that the 230 Squadron aircraft I flew at Labuan in 1966 would be the same ones that were at Gutersloh.
They were: XJ412, XK986, XL110, XP362, XP363, XP395, XP400, XR453, XR456, XR457.
At the end of confrontation the squadron was returned to Europe to Odiham. Some of the aircraft were swopped with the FEAF Whirwinds so the there were some different serials back in the UK.-
They were: XJ412, XK986, XL110, XP362, XP363, XP395, XP400, XR453, XR456, XR457.
At the end of confrontation the squadron was returned to Europe to Odiham. Some of the aircraft were swopped with the FEAF Whirwinds so the there were some different serials back in the UK.-
Pel, the aircraft only wore individual letters,not a Squadron code +individual. only ones I have are.XK986-`U`,and XR453-`W`,XR454 possibly`Q`,but these are from 1967-8.
F E D and D120 may pop up with more relevant stuff.
F E D and D120 may pop up with more relevant stuff.
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I think squadron codes emerged in the RAF only in the late 1970s. Until that time, a tail letter and a squadron badge on the fin (or the cabin door on a helicopter) was deemed sufficient.
I cannot claim to have flown in all the 230 Sqn Whirlwinds in '67-68, but when I flew I logged both serials and tail letters. They were, in no particular order:
XS412(Y), XP396(S), XR453(W), XP299(P), XP357(X), XP395(R), XK986(U), XP329(V), XJ758(O), XP330(Z), XL110(T), and XP302(N).
Hope that helps.
I cannot claim to have flown in all the 230 Sqn Whirlwinds in '67-68, but when I flew I logged both serials and tail letters. They were, in no particular order:
XS412(Y), XP396(S), XR453(W), XP299(P), XP357(X), XP395(R), XK986(U), XP329(V), XJ758(O), XP330(Z), XL110(T), and XP302(N).
Hope that helps.
Go back to post No 4 of this thread and the two Whirlwinds are as the 230 Sqn aircraft were in spring 1966. The nearest one 'O' was swopped for another at the end of the year.
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Hi! I found the following serials of Whirlwind of 230Sqn at different pictures in the last days during their time at Gütersloh:
XR453/A (from29.11.1962), XP302/N, XP397/T (w/o 17.08.1964), XP401/W, XP402/X, XP330/Z and XR457 (from 07.01.1963)
Some of them had already mentioned.
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Whirlwinds at Gütersloh
Hi! I found the following serials of Whirlwind of 230Sqn at different pictures in the last days during their time at Gütersloh:
XR453/A (from29.11.1962), XP302/N, XP397/T (w/o 17.08.1964), XP401/W, XP402/X, XP330/Z and XR457 (from 07.01.1963)
Some of them had already be mentioned.
Regards
Marcus
XR453/A (from29.11.1962), XP302/N, XP397/T (w/o 17.08.1964), XP401/W, XP402/X, XP330/Z and XR457 (from 07.01.1963)
Some of them had already be mentioned.
Regards
Marcus