20 Sqn Hunters and pilots-1962 Singapore
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Can anyone fill in the names of any of the pilots of the 20 Sqn Hunter's that flew at Changi Battle-Of-Britain in 1962.
Here's the 5 aircraft left to right: XJ673 'XX' (sqn commander), XE582 'J' XJ686 'B', XG265 'K' and XK142 'P' as they parked on the taxiway after their display.
Interesting set of histories...like most Hunters I suppose.
XJ673 was lost flying Kai Tak to Tengah 02/04/69, XG265 also reported written off 01/03/64 or was it 01/04/64.
XF582 went to the Swiss as J-740 24/02/82 and then on to Chile as 1685. XJ686 also went to the Swiss as J-743 on 24/02/82 and XK142 became a Singaporean FR74B and was kept at 229 OCU Chivenor to train Singapore pilots but was lost off Lundy 17/11/72, the pilot ejecting OK.
The 'big hangar' at Changi had XE610 'C' on static display.
This one is reported as having an engine failure over the South China Sea, 40 miles from Kuantan 26/06/69...but on another web listing is given as surviving at Bruntingthorpe!
Any further info on the aircraft or names of those flying that nice tight formation would be appreciated.
David T.
Here's the 5 aircraft left to right: XJ673 'XX' (sqn commander), XE582 'J' XJ686 'B', XG265 'K' and XK142 'P' as they parked on the taxiway after their display.
Interesting set of histories...like most Hunters I suppose.
XJ673 was lost flying Kai Tak to Tengah 02/04/69, XG265 also reported written off 01/03/64 or was it 01/04/64.
XF582 went to the Swiss as J-740 24/02/82 and then on to Chile as 1685. XJ686 also went to the Swiss as J-743 on 24/02/82 and XK142 became a Singaporean FR74B and was kept at 229 OCU Chivenor to train Singapore pilots but was lost off Lundy 17/11/72, the pilot ejecting OK.
The 'big hangar' at Changi had XE610 'C' on static display.
This one is reported as having an engine failure over the South China Sea, 40 miles from Kuantan 26/06/69...but on another web listing is given as surviving at Bruntingthorpe!
Any further info on the aircraft or names of those flying that nice tight formation would be appreciated.
David T.
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As usual, great pictures David. Many thanks for sharing them.
I'm afraid I can't help you with the information that you are after, but I enjoy your pictures.
Keep 'em coming !
I'm afraid I can't help you with the information that you are after, but I enjoy your pictures.
Keep 'em coming !
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Splendid photographs, must have been quite a display.
Interesting to see Hunter F.(GA).9s flying "clean" with empty wing pylons.
I am not able to help with pilots names, but the a/c are a different matter.
XJ673/XX crashed into the sea off Clark Field, Philippines on 2nd April 1969 following hydraulic and engine failure. The pilot, Flt.Lt. K R Barley ejected safely.
XE582/J was delivered to the Chilean AF as J-745 in April 1982.
XJ686/B also to the Chilean AF as J-746 in April 1982.
XG265/K crashed Labuan, Borneo on 1st March 1964 following rear fuselage fire, the pilot, Flt. Lt. R A F Shields ejected but was killed.
XK142/P purchased by HSA as G-9-359, became a Singapore AF F.(GA).74.B 522 in 1972. Crashed 5 miles east of Lundy Is. in the Bristol Channel on 17th November 1972, pilot ejected safely.
XE610/C crashed on 26th June 1969 after engine failure, in the South China Sea, 40 miles south of Kuantan, Malaysia. No pilots' name.
Thanks to David Griffin and his excellent book "Hawker Hunter 1951-2008".
Ciarain.
Interesting to see Hunter F.(GA).9s flying "clean" with empty wing pylons.
I am not able to help with pilots names, but the a/c are a different matter.
XJ673/XX crashed into the sea off Clark Field, Philippines on 2nd April 1969 following hydraulic and engine failure. The pilot, Flt.Lt. K R Barley ejected safely.
XE582/J was delivered to the Chilean AF as J-745 in April 1982.
XJ686/B also to the Chilean AF as J-746 in April 1982.
XG265/K crashed Labuan, Borneo on 1st March 1964 following rear fuselage fire, the pilot, Flt. Lt. R A F Shields ejected but was killed.
XK142/P purchased by HSA as G-9-359, became a Singapore AF F.(GA).74.B 522 in 1972. Crashed 5 miles east of Lundy Is. in the Bristol Channel on 17th November 1972, pilot ejected safely.
XE610/C crashed on 26th June 1969 after engine failure, in the South China Sea, 40 miles south of Kuantan, Malaysia. No pilots' name.
Thanks to David Griffin and his excellent book "Hawker Hunter 1951-2008".
Ciarain.
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Hi,
Was this an aerobatic team or just a formation flypast?
Incidentally, Hunter F.74B, '522' of the Singapore Operational Training Flight, lost off Lundy Island on 17 November 1972, was being flown by Sqn Ldr Charles Boyack at the time.
Was this an aerobatic team or just a formation flypast?
Incidentally, Hunter F.74B, '522' of the Singapore Operational Training Flight, lost off Lundy Island on 17 November 1972, was being flown by Sqn Ldr Charles Boyack at the time.
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Vampiredave:
Thanks the additional info.
Interesting of you to ask about a 'formation flypast' or an 'aerobatic team' . I think the former to be honest but I'll look back and see if I have any photos of them doing anything 'adventurous'. 60 Sqn, also from Tengah put up a nine ship of Javelin's and they definately didn't do any 'loops'!
I think the only aerobatics that year, were from the Meteors of the Towed Target Flight.
DT
Thanks the additional info.
Interesting of you to ask about a 'formation flypast' or an 'aerobatic team' . I think the former to be honest but I'll look back and see if I have any photos of them doing anything 'adventurous'. 60 Sqn, also from Tengah put up a nine ship of Javelin's and they definately didn't do any 'loops'!
I think the only aerobatics that year, were from the Meteors of the Towed Target Flight.
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20 Squadron Hunters and pilots - 1962 Singapore
By sheer coincidence I have been speaking to two members of the Meteor TT Flight team which took part in the 1962 Changi Battle of Britain show - Ian Whitford and Al Thomas.
I believe that it was quite a show - by Far East standards - with over 100,000 people attending and I would be interested to learn what the Hunter display actually comprised?
Dave
I believe that it was quite a show - by Far East standards - with over 100,000 people attending and I would be interested to learn what the Hunter display actually comprised?
Dave
XE582
A bit of a tangent, but here's a picture of 745 (XE582) taken in Oct 85 over the northern coast of Chile.
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Bonajet: Fantastic to see XE582 in a different guise, thanks.
Vampiredave: here's a couple of the Towed Target flight Meteor display:
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Formation approach to runway 20.
The four F(TT)8's here are: WL180,WH810,VZ540 and WA880.
I remember the thrill (hey I was only 14!) when WL180, VZ540 and WA880 turned up, still in camouflage, at Changi in April 62. That must have been when they were first delivered to the TT Flight.
It's great to see that WA880 has survived and is at a museum in Australia.
Strangely I don't recall the Towed Target Flight actually being based at Changi until mid 1963 when the took over the slot up near the Maintenance Flight, maybe I just am getting forgetful!
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Vampiredave: here's a couple of the Towed Target flight Meteor display:
Formation approach to runway 20.
The four F(TT)8's here are: WL180,WH810,VZ540 and WA880.
I remember the thrill (hey I was only 14!) when WL180, VZ540 and WA880 turned up, still in camouflage, at Changi in April 62. That must have been when they were first delivered to the TT Flight.
It's great to see that WA880 has survived and is at a museum in Australia.
Strangely I don't recall the Towed Target Flight actually being based at Changi until mid 1963 when the took over the slot up near the Maintenance Flight, maybe I just am getting forgetful!
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David,
What excellent photographs. I have a series of official photographs of the FEAF team over Singapore taken in August 1962, prior to the Battle of Britain show.
The show was the team's first official display and the members comprised Eric Stewart (leader) Ian Whitford, Al Thomas and Geoff Bradford. Their next display was for the Malaysia Air Show in September 1963, a three-day event held at Paya Lebar. By this time, Chris Preston had replaced Geoff Bradford.
Because of the unit's commitment to the 'Emergency', subsequent appearances were restricted to formation flypasts, having been renamed as 1574 (TT) Flight in May 1964. The unit was disbanded 30 January 1971.
I hope that this is of interest?
What excellent photographs. I have a series of official photographs of the FEAF team over Singapore taken in August 1962, prior to the Battle of Britain show.
The show was the team's first official display and the members comprised Eric Stewart (leader) Ian Whitford, Al Thomas and Geoff Bradford. Their next display was for the Malaysia Air Show in September 1963, a three-day event held at Paya Lebar. By this time, Chris Preston had replaced Geoff Bradford.
Because of the unit's commitment to the 'Emergency', subsequent appearances were restricted to formation flypasts, having been renamed as 1574 (TT) Flight in May 1964. The unit was disbanded 30 January 1971.
I hope that this is of interest?
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Dave:
Yes, anything about the early 60's in Singapore is of interest to me...I have 1000 plus aircraft pictures from a 'misspent youth', taken at Changi, Paya Lebar and Seletar.
I have managed to interest some publishers so am assembling as much info as I can.
I always enjoyed capturing the working environment at those airfields, realising eventually that there was more to photographing planes than just 'a big close-up', so need to explain some of the pictures if I can.
For instance, I now know why 205 Sqn's Shackleton's were always undergoing engine changes and that Britannia's didn't have the most reliable engines either.
PPRune is great for finding out specific details...somebody always responds with something!
The Towed Target Flight had an interest collection of F8's, TT20's and one or two T7's. They changed fairly frequently...end of a Meteor's working life I guess. Sometimes I would visit 390 MU at Seletar and find another couple of TT20's being scrapped.
David Taylor.
Yes, anything about the early 60's in Singapore is of interest to me...I have 1000 plus aircraft pictures from a 'misspent youth', taken at Changi, Paya Lebar and Seletar.
I have managed to interest some publishers so am assembling as much info as I can.
I always enjoyed capturing the working environment at those airfields, realising eventually that there was more to photographing planes than just 'a big close-up', so need to explain some of the pictures if I can.
For instance, I now know why 205 Sqn's Shackleton's were always undergoing engine changes and that Britannia's didn't have the most reliable engines either.
PPRune is great for finding out specific details...somebody always responds with something!
The Towed Target Flight had an interest collection of F8's, TT20's and one or two T7's. They changed fairly frequently...end of a Meteor's working life I guess. Sometimes I would visit 390 MU at Seletar and find another couple of TT20's being scrapped.
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If you go to the RAFForum; The Royal Air Force Forum and access Sqdns 1 - 25, click on 20 Squadron and go to page 8, there is a squadron photograph taken in early 1963 and some of the pilots in it may well have flown in that occasion. In subsequent pages there is an ex 20 Sqdn pilot who has named the others, he may be able to give you the information you are seeking.
Bon Chance
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Hi David - saw you had been in touch with the RAFForum, hope you get a result. Another 'incident' on 20 Squadron was when 'F' for Foxtrot, XG293, came out of the hangar after a 9 month refit and was taken up for an air test by Flt. Lt. Pete Martin. His final pass was to fly upside down over the runway at zero feet but, unfortunately, his engine cut so he was in a bit of trouble. He righted the plane and tried to bring it back round on to the runway but was heading for the 'Gin Palace' so decided that he had to get out. He was over 20 Sqdn line, about 200 feet, when he banged out. Everything seemed to be in slow motion, his canopy came off then his seat came out as he was shot into the air. The aircraft came down just off the start of the runway and he was coming down on top of the burning wreck when he pulled one of his 'strings' and guided to the side. Myself and a colleague had got there in the Sqdn landrover as he came down. An armourer, Jeff Phipps, got there first and when Flt Lt. Martin landed he took off his 'chute then his Mae West and handed it to Jeff who said, "But Sir......!" to which Pete Martin answered, "Sorry, can't stop, this kite is U/S". Apparrently he was in the air again within the hour in the the two seater. This happened on the 21st April 1964. There was a plaque put up for him behind the line huts which read; ' Within 200 yds of this spot, Flt Lt. P. Martin, pranged an Aston Martin DB6, a Harley Davidson motorbike and a Hawker Hunter aircraft'.
How can I upload a .jpeg image as I have one of the said aircraft mentioned?
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By deduction, I think that four of the pilots of the squadron 'team' would have been the CO, Sqn Ldr Calvert, together with George Aylett, 'Chips' Carpenter and Stu Penny. Calvert, Aylett and Carpenter all being former members of the 92 Squadron aerobatic team - The Blue Diamonds - in 1961. I hope that this helps?
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jmore2 , I witnessed the Hunter incident ( seconded to 60 Sqdn at the time ) and from what i remember the last of a series of inverted climbs resulted in an engine flameout, resulting in what you described.
postfade, the correct title for the Meteor Flight at Changi was 1574 Target Facilities Flight, my time there was `66 to `67. From memory we had one T7, two F8s and three ( ? ) TT20s. A long time ago, but very happy days
FEAF, in those days, the best posting in the world.
postfade, the correct title for the Meteor Flight at Changi was 1574 Target Facilities Flight, my time there was `66 to `67. From memory we had one T7, two F8s and three ( ? ) TT20s. A long time ago, but very happy days
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And others ... ?
I quite realise that this is about 20 Sqn and other single-seaters, but I wonder if, among the photos (for which many thanks, bringing back some great memories) there are some of the Mighty 45th and their Canberras at this event ... I can hardly believe they didn't take part ...
PS. Given the thread's title, perhaps 45 could have one to itself ???
PS. Given the thread's title, perhaps 45 could have one to itself ???
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Cheing Mai
I have a number of 20 Squadron photo's while at Cheing Mai back in 1961-62 if anyone is interested.
Here is a photo of the Squadron at Tengah.
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Here is a photo of the Squadron at Tengah.
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Whilst I was photographing everything that moved at Changi, my father, a W/O Signals, joined the happy band at Chiang Mai as well.
The view of the pan ...from 'the tented accomodation'. The grass has changed somewhat in the second pic.
I've recently read Alan White's book 'Lightning Up' as it has a section on his time with 20 Sqdn. Mainly infact about the detachment to Chiang Mai. Six 20 sqdn Hunters going on 25th May 1962. although the political goings on meant they didn't arrrive for a further two weeks. Superb low-level flying over Thailand he says!
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The view of the pan ...from 'the tented accomodation'. The grass has changed somewhat in the second pic.
I've recently read Alan White's book 'Lightning Up' as it has a section on his time with 20 Sqdn. Mainly infact about the detachment to Chiang Mai. Six 20 sqdn Hunters going on 25th May 1962. although the political goings on meant they didn't arrrive for a further two weeks. Superb low-level flying over Thailand he says!
David.
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