Airfield memorials plan
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My comments have still not appeared on the ABCT website.
There are some very strong posts on AiX questioning the "testimonials" in the vox pop section. Consumer legislation which came into law in early 2008 makes it illegal for a supplier to publish false testimonials on a website, but I am not sure if this applies to charities.
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My comments have still not appeared on the ABCT website.
There are some very strong posts on AiX questioning the "testimonials" in the vox pop section. Consumer legislation which came into law in early 2008 makes it illegal for a supplier to publish false testimonials on a website, but I am not sure if this applies to charities.
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I can understand your concern, I was just commenting on the posts on AiX.
I have received acknowledgements from ABCT following my comments to them.
Ciarain.
I have received acknowledgements from ABCT following my comments to them.
Ciarain.
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To the Mods:
The unveiling of some of a number of memorials referred to here took place last weekend, with coverage in local media (newspapers and BBC TV East). Since then, three forums (this one, AiX and Key) have attracted a good deal of negative comment about them and the motivation behind them.
I hope you don't feel the need to pull the thread, as I'm sure this story will run for quite a while. IMHO, it needs to - at least until Mr Bannerman makes a statement to reply to his critics.
The unveiling of some of a number of memorials referred to here took place last weekend, with coverage in local media (newspapers and BBC TV East). Since then, three forums (this one, AiX and Key) have attracted a good deal of negative comment about them and the motivation behind them.
I hope you don't feel the need to pull the thread, as I'm sure this story will run for quite a while. IMHO, it needs to - at least until Mr Bannerman makes a statement to reply to his critics.
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It is, of course, the negativity surrounding this project that brings into question whether it should have a sounding platform here.
We will keep an open mind in the immediate meantime.
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We will keep an open mind in the immediate meantime.
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Why shouldn't this thread continue? Why would it be OK to have a thread repeatedly criticising specific people (including accusations of financial impropriety with no evidence put forward whatsoever) in the Vulcan XH558 thread, but not have a thread airing legitimate concerns about the very public activities of the "enigmatic, brilliant, mythical" Kenneth Bannerman?
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XV490 (re Filming of the title scenes of The Prisoner) - are you on AiX?
I guess probably not but thought I'd ask anyway! I'm sure the guys there could help out, might be worth putting a post up about it. There is a thread about 'Airfields on Film' Airfield Information Exchange - The Public Forums of The Airfield Research Group (ARG) • View topic - Arfields on film - I'd have to have a read through to see if its mention or not though!
I guess probably not but thought I'd ask anyway! I'm sure the guys there could help out, might be worth putting a post up about it. There is a thread about 'Airfields on Film' Airfield Information Exchange - The Public Forums of The Airfield Research Group (ARG) • View topic - Arfields on film - I'd have to have a read through to see if its mention or not though!
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Derbyshire airfields memorials to be erected
A nice, and appropriate, series of memorials it seems.
Three Derbyshire airfields to be honoured with memorials - BBC News
Three Derbyshire airfields to be honoured with memorials - BBC News
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Hmmm ?
Post something informative and innocuous, in theory, relating to aviation history and lo and behold, controversy emerges.
There must be numerous memorials across the UK with the name(s) of those who unveiled them included....nothing new or unknown there....but, in this case, there appears to be a subliminal aspect for reasons that, on the surface, would suggest altruism in erecting these memorials isn't the prime intent.
Hence what is the basis for the objection to his name being included on the memorials please ?
Post something informative and innocuous, in theory, relating to aviation history and lo and behold, controversy emerges.
There must be numerous memorials across the UK with the name(s) of those who unveiled them included....nothing new or unknown there....but, in this case, there appears to be a subliminal aspect for reasons that, on the surface, would suggest altruism in erecting these memorials isn't the prime intent.
Hence what is the basis for the objection to his name being included on the memorials please ?
I have to confess that i'm largely with ZH875 on this.
It's long been my view that ABCT does little or nothing but spend its funds on putting generic blocks of stone around the country and getting Mr Bannerman's picture in the paper.
There is no historic value to these memorials. They contain nothing personal or relevant to the airfields or people and the majority of the text on them refers to the ABCT and Mr Bannerman rather than the airfield itself.
I'd rather people donated to their local aviation museum than paying for a lump of granite to be put in a field that says little more than "there used to be an airfield here".
I'm afraid it comes across very much as a vanity project.
It's long been my view that ABCT does little or nothing but spend its funds on putting generic blocks of stone around the country and getting Mr Bannerman's picture in the paper.
There is no historic value to these memorials. They contain nothing personal or relevant to the airfields or people and the majority of the text on them refers to the ABCT and Mr Bannerman rather than the airfield itself.
I'd rather people donated to their local aviation museum than paying for a lump of granite to be put in a field that says little more than "there used to be an airfield here".
I'm afraid it comes across very much as a vanity project.
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This was first discussed here on Pprune 14 years ago, when opinions began to concern the mods.
The best that can be said about these granite blocks is that they are markers, not memorials.
The best that can be said about these granite blocks is that they are markers, not memorials.
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This was first discussed here on Pprune 14 years ago, when opinions began to concern the mods.
Really ???
The best that can be said about these granite blocks is that they are markers, not memorials.
Smith's Lawn airfield memorial unveiled by Duke of Edinburgh
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I can't get too worked up about some of the ridiculous criticisms on that thread:
Really ???
I'd say they satisfy the criteria for a memorial. The BBC would appear to agree.
Smith's Lawn airfield memorial unveiled by Duke of Edinburgh
Really ???
I'd say they satisfy the criteria for a memorial. The BBC would appear to agree.
Smith's Lawn airfield memorial unveiled by Duke of Edinburgh
I don't consider the BBC, especially its recent crop of regional reporters, to be suitable arbiters in such matters.
But I do give credit to the BBC scribe here who picked up on Mr Bannerman's organisation's characteristic hyperbole, describing old airfields as "phenomenally brilliant places which have benevolently revolutionised everyday life."
The main beneficiaries of Smith's Lawn, it seems to me, were the Royal Family.
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Many years ago, I remember seeing in the Supply Sqdn a large poster showing a map of the UK with RAF bases current (1978) and former shown with runway plan in a solid ring for in use or a dotted ring for then not in use. Does anybody remember this? and is there any way of identifying it as I don't know the Form number.