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BEA / BOAC Training 1960's - 1970's

Old 23rd Mar 2019, 06:46
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Hamble College of Air Training

learning was through the Integrated path or Modular starting from PPL ?
As I know Integrated ATPL course was created in UK and MPL in Lufthansa academy?
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Old 23rd Mar 2019, 06:48
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Yes soviet made artificial horizon is completely different, plane is moving, all around fixed
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Old 24th Mar 2019, 09:36
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i like to read about trainings in 1960 years
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Old 24th Mar 2019, 15:38
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Early courses

Originally two year residential...later 18 months and 225 hours flying of which 75 was on twins. 45 hours link trainer and 80 hours 4 jet simulator which was basically airways, crew cooperation and check lists. 1/3 rd of my course chopped. Standards much higher than board of trade requirement..eg Morse 12 wpm.
All written exams.
Lane inquiry recommendation of increasing the minimum flying hours.
I did 100 plus hours P1 singles and 40 plus twins (solo).
Three years later I read through my notes in a week and passed my ATPL..again written.
20 years later I read through the FAA ATP Q&A book twice and got 96%..which gives you an idea of the standards.
(BEA EIGHTEEN HOURS PLUS BASE TRAINING- and I still couldn't do a decent landing).(we tried in those days..tent peg landings hadn't yet become de rigueur )

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Old 24th Mar 2019, 20:40
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In 60s

In Hamble CAT were mandatory to pass 9 PPL exams & 14 ATPL theory as nowadays or only ATP ?
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Old 24th Mar 2019, 22:36
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Exams

We had to pass the college exams which were based on the board of trade sylabus but to a higher standard and more comprehensive which gave us a CPL but was above ATPL standard. Iirc courses after 1972 had a frozen ATPL upon graduation.
In reality the UK knowledge requirement was higher than the FAA exams I took years later.
I visited a training establishment a few years ago and was shocked to find that one could get a cpl with a total of 160 hours without any twin solo nor spinning and aerobatics.
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Old 25th Mar 2019, 05:08
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Hamble CAT also add some extra subjects to the sylabus of the CAA ?
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Old 25th Mar 2019, 05:11
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In EASA program today also minimum of Multi Engine is 13 h, without solo.
Only few academies fly IR(A) with Multi Engine, totally accumulating ~up to 40h.
It is quality downgrade, but much cheaper for students
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Old 25th Mar 2019, 07:12
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Subjects

The only definite one was liberal studies but ex university cadets warned us to be careful as we might be watched wrt our political views which was apparently normal practice. Supposedly there were recruiters for the MI5 at all universities at that time. One of the first films we were shown was a German anti war film dubbed in English (all quiet on the western front). Worth watching imho.
I think that we probably just went into greater depth including the historical development for example the WW2 nav aids although some of them were still covered by the official secrets act which we had to sign.
As a side line, one of my mates had quit jet provosts after losing two on his course..said that the level of technical instruction was far inferior in the RAF.
We also had one from the Fleet Air Arm who commented about the huge number of fatal accidents from graduates of previous courses. (Many from car and motorcycle accidents - I had to pay a higher insurance rate in the 70s because of being a pilot. Apparently the underwriters consider pilots a bad risk..Just ordered an aprilia rsv4 1100rr 169bhp ;-) )
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Old 25th Mar 2019, 15:35
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Multi Engine flying

In comparison with Hamble CAT, in other famous academies, such as Perth AST or Oxford OAT also were so large amount of multi engine time ?
Congratulations with Your new Aprilia, Sir !
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Old 25th Mar 2019, 20:23
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Sir? Haven't been called that for a while

My old one was nicked in France.. sadly crime rife as is the poverty which you dont see on the tele as the French are censoring the yellow vest protests especially the brutality of the establishment. The posh Paris restaurant was burnt out by the gendarmes firing tear gas grenades.
Oxford had the same flying requirements but the course took only 12 months iirc..so not so comprehensive. Dont think they had the chop rate as hamble.
Other schools had a requirement of 250 hours and self improvers 700 hours.
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Old 2nd Apr 2019, 16:53
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Do You like Beechcraft Baron ? It was good for training flights ?
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Old 2nd Apr 2019, 18:33
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Fabulous for a 21 year old

Except it flicked inverted during a clean stall..one of the wings was bent..as always cadets and instructors did naughty things sometimes badly.
Playing with the pitch levers downwind at Bournemouth during night flying was fun ..there was a BOAC captain trying to get our night flying stopped.
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Old 2nd Apr 2019, 20:39
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This may sound like heresy to some, but I believe a lot of the in-depth knowledge that was required for the UK ATPL had little practical value in the real world. The only possible reason for it was to weed out those who did not have the mental capacity to pass the exams.

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Old 3rd Apr 2019, 08:13
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Originally Posted by Offchocks View Post
This may sound like heresy to some, but I believe a lot of the in-depth knowledge that was required for the UK ATPL had little practical value in the real world. The only possible reason for it was to weed out those who did not have the mental capacity to pass the exams.
It's a very long time ago, but I remember none of it was beyond GCE 'O' level standard. There wasn't any calculus involved in the mathematics, for example.

Is anyone still able to draw a tephigram?



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Old 3rd Apr 2019, 12:48
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O level

Yup but it was pure volume and depth..the mental calcs gave many sleepless nights.
funnily I was at the cruising association this morning and was briefed on Captain Cook and the venus expedition to calculate the size of the solar system using Jupiter's moons...so Nick Hoye's astro did come in handy as I understood the maths (geometry).
ps tephigrams...use them occasionally for paragliding.
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Old 3rd Apr 2019, 20:19
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Originally Posted by Georgeablelovehowindia View Post
Is anyone still able to draw a tephigram?
Iím afraid not, the last time I saw a tephigram was 45 years ago.
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Old 4th Sep 2019, 10:50
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In that times UK ATPL exams were only recognized in Britain or as nowadays common European when exams from UK are recognized for example in Germany & France ?

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Old 10th Sep 2019, 19:37
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I got offered a place at Hamble in 1973 but ended up joining the RAF instead. The upshot of this was that it took me 18 years longer to get to fly the VC10! ;-)
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Old 11th Sep 2019, 09:38
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After a couple of days of 'enjoying' life as a Junior Entry Flight Cadet at RAFC, I asked myself why on earth I hadn't applied for Hamble instead!

But then a Phantom arrived, beat seven shades of $hit out of the place and disappeared upwards in a vertical climb. Airlines? No thanks! But it was another 12 years before I flew the F-4!
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