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Hopfner HV.12/34
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The Treaty of Saint-Germain, which regulated, inter alia, the 1920 territorial division of the former Austria-Hungary, forbad strictly aircraft from Austria. Only at the end of 1924 the ban was relaxed, allowing small aircraft and small motorized flying machines to be built to a limited extent again. One of the first who began again with the aircraft, was the engineer Theodor Hopfner, a former military pilot, designed and built in 1925 with two people at the Vienna-Aspern airfield in a shed a light passenger aircraft. With the machine HV2/24,which was designated the official registration A-19, he offered from Aspern scenic flights over Vienna. End of 1934 mandated Anton von Habsburg, Prince of Lorraine, Theodor Hopfner to develop him a light twin-engine passenger aircraft for 5 passengers.
The first flight took place in August 1935 in Aspern, and the aircraft was registered as A-150. The flight characteristics were rated as good and met the expectations. In 1936, the registration was changed to OE-DEA. Based in Aspern, the HV.12/34 flew irregularly as a private travel airplane, but also as a light transport aircraft. After the annexation of Austria by Germany in 1938 the machine was still there and received the new German registration D-OEEA. Later it came part of the aircraft division of Hirtenberger Cartridge Factory AG in Hirtenberg. When war broke out it was planned be used as liaison aircraft for the Luftwaffe, but since there were problems with the supply of spare parts to the British engines (de Havilland Gypsy) and a conversion to German engines appeared to be takinging too much effort, the HV.12/34 was taken out of use. The further fate is unknown.
Over to you! (Standing ovations)
seacue Not L for Lime, H for Habsburg
Hopfner HV.12/34
Crude translation of an excerpt:
The Treaty of Saint-Germain, which regulated, inter alia, the 1920 territorial division of the former Austria-Hungary, forbad strictly aircraft from Austria. Only at the end of 1924 the ban was relaxed, allowing small aircraft and small motorized flying machines to be built to a limited extent again. One of the first who began again with the aircraft, was the engineer Theodor Hopfner, a former military pilot, designed and built in 1925 with two people at the Vienna-Aspern airfield in a shed a light passenger aircraft. With the machine HV2/24,which was designated the official registration A-19, he offered from Aspern scenic flights over Vienna. End of 1934 mandated Anton von Habsburg, Prince of Lorraine, Theodor Hopfner to develop him a light twin-engine passenger aircraft for 5 passengers.
The first flight took place in August 1935 in Aspern, and the aircraft was registered as A-150. The flight characteristics were rated as good and met the expectations. In 1936, the registration was changed to OE-DEA. Based in Aspern, the HV.12/34 flew irregularly as a private travel airplane, but also as a light transport aircraft. After the annexation of Austria by Germany in 1938 the machine was still there and received the new German registration D-OEEA. Later it came part of the aircraft division of Hirtenberger Cartridge Factory AG in Hirtenberg. When war broke out it was planned be used as liaison aircraft for the Luftwaffe, but since there were problems with the supply of spare parts to the British engines (de Havilland Gypsy) and a conversion to German engines appeared to be takinging too much effort, the HV.12/34 was taken out of use. The further fate is unknown.
Over to you! (Standing ovations)
seacue Not L for Lime, H for Habsburg
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Skytrain Lorraine is called Lothringen where I live.......
During the WWII Alsatian and Lorraine people were sent to East front as German soldiers, but other French worked in Germany (those who had been ordered here) as Fremdarbeiter (Foreign Workers), building e.g. the flak towers in Berlin, one of which I used to see from my office window. It is still there, too solid to be blown away. Below it is an old DDR nuke proof bunker, open for public.
During the WWII Alsatian and Lorraine people were sent to East front as German soldiers, but other French worked in Germany (those who had been ordered here) as Fremdarbeiter (Foreign Workers), building e.g. the flak towers in Berlin, one of which I used to see from my office window. It is still there, too solid to be blown away. Below it is an old DDR nuke proof bunker, open for public.
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Thanks RegDep - fascinating background to it. Not sure on the reference to the Prince of Lorraine - Anton von Habsburg was Archduke of Austria I believe.
This one is probably a little less interesting!
This one is probably a little less interesting!
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Thanks Skytrain!
The quoted text is from a Swiss site and they are known for their sloppiness in everything they do, so I don't know, either.
Although Anton von Habsburg is Anton Habsburg-Lothringen in the German Wiki Anton Habsburg-Lothringen ? Wikipedia and in the English one Archduke Anton of Austria.....
Prince of Lorraine
Although Anton von Habsburg is Anton Habsburg-Lothringen in the German Wiki Anton Habsburg-Lothringen ? Wikipedia and in the English one Archduke Anton of Austria.....
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Japanese, Ken? Based on a Beech 36?
The quoted text is from a Swiss site and they are known for their sloppiness in everything they do, so I don't know, either.
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In 1979 the RAAF issued a requirement for a new Basic Trainer aircraft and the three major aircraft companies, Hawker de Havilland, Commonwealth Aircraft Corporation and Government Aircraft Factories, formed in 1981, a jointly owned company, the Australian Aircraft Consortium, to manage the programme and to design and develop this aircraft called the A-10?
a.k.a. AAC Wamira
a.k.a. AAC Wamira
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AAC Wamira
Sadly its history was a little less romantic than your last offering!
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Very elusive aircraft. Only one picture where the characteristic nose was to seen. One site says that it would be in the RAAF Museum, Point Cook, Victoria. The 360° pictures show one in a repair shop that could be it, but.... Any idea?
LM, do I have some available?
Edit to say: Now I have found more pictures, both from the one seat and the two seat version. Apparently it went to Paris Exhibition in 1983, maybe as a mock-up.
LM, do I have some available?
Edit to say: Now I have found more pictures, both from the one seat and the two seat version. Apparently it went to Paris Exhibition in 1983, maybe as a mock-up.
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I recall seeing a picture of a mock-up somewhere on the web. My 3-view came from Flightglobal. Contrary to what I said, wiki states that a prototype was built, but I have never seen a photo of it - but I guess if it was built, then the RAAF museum would be a good place to find it! Perhaps Graeme can cast some light on it?
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Of the A-10 one seat version one wooden mock up and one partially completed aircraft was built. Of the A-20 two seat version only one airframe was built, says GoogleBook "Australian Military Experimental and Prototype Aircraft"
I shall wait a moment for LM to emerge before I declare OH.
Reg
I shall wait a moment for LM to emerge before I declare OH.
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Evening guys,
It's been a hectic day today; I had a brief look mid-afternoon and started to looking for the Wamira, but I went in too late and couldn't find any illustrations, I did find a mention of the forward fuselage mock-up appearing at Farnborough and then I had to get back to work! Now I know that I should have started a couple of years earlier to find skytrains drawing in August '83. There's a picture of the prototype being readied for roll-out here: (Fig 30, about half-way down the page)
Keith Meggs : The Commonwealth Aircraft Corporation
I expect LM will arrive home in about half an hour Reg.
Good Challenge with the Hopfner Reg, another shape you know you've seen somewhere, good clues and well found skytrain!
It's been a hectic day today; I had a brief look mid-afternoon and started to looking for the Wamira, but I went in too late and couldn't find any illustrations, I did find a mention of the forward fuselage mock-up appearing at Farnborough and then I had to get back to work! Now I know that I should have started a couple of years earlier to find skytrains drawing in August '83. There's a picture of the prototype being readied for roll-out here: (Fig 30, about half-way down the page)
Keith Meggs : The Commonwealth Aircraft Corporation
I expect LM will arrive home in about half an hour Reg.
Good Challenge with the Hopfner Reg, another shape you know you've seen somewhere, good clues and well found skytrain!
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