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Glenn and Bri, I think planegill is also having an
on this one. It certainly is a puzzle, from the photograph it would seem to be metal skinned and has a fairly narrow cockpit. He says it is from the western side of the atlantic yet that could not necessarily mean the USA. Although apart from Canada I am not sure of other other airframe builders on that side of the atlantic. I think it is certainly early 1930s.
Another stab in the dark, the AG-4 Crusader perhaps?
Mel
[evil chuckle here]
Another stab in the dark, the AG-4 Crusader perhaps?
Mel
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Funny you should mention that, Mel.
I was just wondering if it might a lot smaller than I have been thinking and the AG-4 would fit the clues. I've never found an AG-4 cockpit photo, but the bird has been on my "possibles" list for a fair while.
You might be onto something there.
Glenn
I was just wondering if it might a lot smaller than I have been thinking and the AG-4 would fit the clues. I've never found an AG-4 cockpit photo, but the bird has been on my "possibles" list for a fair while.
You might be onto something there.
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True enough. Although I can't see an aircraft the size of the AG-4 having four fuel tanks that have to be manually managed. Is that a key slot for the magneto switch? Quite car-like if it is. Also, the windshield frame doesn't quite match up with the AG-4. I see she is night and IFR equipped. The engine controls seem quite simple, compared to say a DC-2.
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I am glad to hear this is proving an interesting challenge. (No-one has obviously read the book it came out of.)
It is none of the aircraft proposed so far.
Clue: Mel was right, it is Canadian.
Here is another view which might help:
It is none of the aircraft proposed so far.
Clue: Mel was right, it is Canadian.
Here is another view which might help:
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It is the Fleet Model 50 Freighter. As soon as I saw the huge side loading door, I knew I had seen the aircraft in some distant past. Quite the challenge Gill!
I do have Larry Milberry's book 'Aviation in Canada', but it doesn't have a cockpit shot of the Freighter. I briefly considered the Fairchild Sekani, but the windshield frame didn't match up.
I do have Larry Milberry's book 'Aviation in Canada', but it doesn't have a cockpit shot of the Freighter. I briefly considered the Fairchild Sekani, but the windshield frame didn't match up.
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Bri has it, the biplane Fleet Freighter from 1938. The photo was from the book "Fleet - The Flying Years" by Page/Cumming. The second photo, and others, are on the excellent Canadian Aviation Museum site. Over to you.
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Planegill's challenge...
What a great challenge, David!!
You had us all muttering and head-scratching with that one.
It was good mental exercise... even for those of us who never got close.
Here's another shot of that cockpit with the flip-over yoke on the other side... from the RCAF site.
Glenn
You had us all muttering and head-scratching with that one.
It was good mental exercise... even for those of us who never got close.
Here's another shot of that cockpit with the flip-over yoke on the other side... from the RCAF site.
Glenn
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American seat, well used cockpit, twin engine, lot of blanking plates on panel, no obvious weapon systems or HUD, seems to be a prototype.
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Thanks David G for a great challenge and congratulations to Bri 
for solving it I must admit my proposal the AG4 Crusader was really clutching at straws at 1 am in the morning.
Mel
for solving it I must admit my proposal the AG4 Crusader was really clutching at straws at 1 am in the morning.Mel
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Well, you got the colour/color right.
Tacit Blue aka The Whale.
Open house if correct - dip into your folder ozbeowulf!
Well, you got the colour/color right.
Tacit Blue aka The Whale.
Open house if correct - dip into your folder ozbeowulf!
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I42, I see exactly why you ascribe Tacit Blue to the image but that doesn't fit in with the apparent lack of centre pillar on the windscreen. See this external shot taken (very probably)from the same source you use: 
Have just found a 3/4 view of Have Blue and the same argument applies as it has a Delta Dagger style screen. Ho hum, back to the drawing board
Have just found a 3/4 view of Have Blue and the same argument applies as it has a Delta Dagger style screen. Ho hum, back to the drawing board
I think the photo is deceptive - there is no centre/center pillar.
There's a picture from a different angle on Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_Tacit_Blue
and a great quote:
And if there is any doubt, see Bri's cockpit shot here:
http://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/fac...a.asp?fsID=353
And re your comment about the Have Blue's "Delta Dagger" windscreen. I saw a reference that one of the changes required when scaling up to the F-117, was the need for a flat front panel, to accommodate a HUD.
There's a picture from a different angle on Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_Tacit_Blue
and a great quote:
Northrop engineer Norm Cashen was quoted in 1996 as having said, "You're talking about an aircraft that at the time was arguably the most unstable aircraft man had ever flown."
http://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/fac...a.asp?fsID=353
And re your comment about the Have Blue's "Delta Dagger" windscreen. I saw a reference that one of the changes required when scaling up to the F-117, was the need for a flat front panel, to accommodate a HUD.
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I42 I agree that the source of the cockpit shot is the national air force museum (and I wish I could afford to spend a few weeks wandering around their exhibit space!). I confess I was taken in by the optical illusion. This pic seem to show a central pillarhttp://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/sha...-1234S-006.jpg. yet here the pillar is not present: http://www.fas.org/irp/mystery/tacit-blue-image3.jpg leading me to think it must have had some mods carried out. Then 'cos things like this bug me I went a bit further see these two photos from slightly different angles of the aircraft snuggled under (I think) a Valkyrie in one and looking a bit lonely in a hangar in the other: http://data3.primeportal.net/hangar/...lue_3_of_7.jpg and http://data3.primeportal.net/hangar/...lue_5_of_7.jpg
Or mabe (conspiracy theory alert) there was more than one built!!!!
Still waiting for Glenn to post another goody (and don't forget to add the essential Mel prefix 'This shouldn't last too long')
Or mabe (conspiracy theory alert) there was more than one built!!!!
Still waiting for Glenn to post another goody (and don't forget to add the essential Mel prefix 'This shouldn't last too long')
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kb,
Judging by the perspective of the picture you linked, I think there are 7 cockpit windows, and the left two in your picture are the centre and left ones in Bri's picture.
Wake up Bri, it's 10 am in Alberta. Put us out of our misery.
Judging by the perspective of the picture you linked, I think there are 7 cockpit windows, and the left two in your picture are the centre and left ones in Bri's picture.
Wake up Bri, it's 10 am in Alberta. Put us out of our misery.
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