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Old 8th Jan 2009, 18:42
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Concorde

Nobody mentioned Concorde's first diversion here yet?Sometime in the 1970s.I haven't seen it in all these wonderful memories.I'd just arrived back from a holiday in Malaga when we pulled up and before de-planing just glanced through the window.There she was alongside.I thought we must have landed at Heathrow and I'd missed the announcement.Next morning I whistled up from Stoke to have a look at the take off.I found about 50,000 folk hanging from the trees near the Valley Lodge and a large policeman preventing access to the road leading to the south side hangers.I flashed my PPL and told him I'd got to take a plane out that morning.

His reply "I don't care if you're flying the Queen of Sheba home mate,you're not going up there"

I did hear it go though I didn't see much of it.My then flying mate P1FEL wangled a visit airside I'm sure.
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Moseley Hall school spotters club, 1964-70

anyone remember the MHGS aviation club in the 60s? i ran it for about a year, prob when i was in 6th form. Organised trips to London and various shows.
i saw some early postings from 2007 on this thread, and like others had to register!

I lived near Woodford airfield and had views of the hangars and 748 prod line - also got caught going thro the fence!! Also remember crawling thro the bars of the turnstiles to get up to the terraces at MAN!! School was great as it was under the approach - many happy memories of diversions. Also the many unusual charters - anyone remember a Rhodesian DC6, VP-YYR. not sure of date or year but i can disticntly remember it coming in over the "quad" (playground) during a PE lesson! Capitol C46s, American Flyers Electras and DC8s, SAM DC6s.
I still have a photo of 'LHG the Argonaut which crashed at Stockport, taken earlier in the year.
i have some photos on my website Cavill Connections - Richard Caville - Genealogy, Aviation, History...
click on the classic aircraft link. Not v gd condition but i have others which im getting scanned and hope to put up.
happy remisniscing!
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Old 15th Apr 2009, 09:56
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I started the MHGS Aviation Club (I think that it was called the airspotters club originally) in 1964. As you say, MHGS was a great place to watch aircraft. Probably why I failed my A levels

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anyone remember a Rhodesian DC6, VP-YYR. not sure of date or year but i can disticntly remember it coming in over the "quad" (playground) during a PE lesson!
If the reg is correct it was a DC-4, No. 10640, built for the US Air Force in 1945. Autair had it as G-ASZT early in 1965, then it was sold to Rhodesian Air Services in August that year as VP-YYR, who used it for only four months, which probably enables you to date your sighting of it. Rhodesia declared UDI in November 1965 and was cut off by the world community, the aircraft was sold on in January 1966 to a Zaire company, and two months after that it was back with Autair under it's previous British registration - probably someone was not paying their bill, or some fiddles associated with the UDI, somewhere along the line.
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SZT passed on to Invicta in 1966. After 1968 it spent the rest of its life under various African registrations, finally being written off in a crash in the Congo on 7 January 1987 as 9Q-CAG.
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This thread has certainly taken me back, must go & dig out my old photos from the late 70's!
I happened on the thread looking for info on the most remarkable diversion I remember: Cycled up to Ringway one foggy evening having got wind of there being a "div" on to be confronted by a stunning site, B pier playing host to 5 ( yes five) Concordes. I'm sure my memory of this is accurate as I even remember counting them out by ear from home next morning!!!
Can anyone confirm my memory? Perhaps even provide more info or a date??
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Old 23rd Apr 2009, 13:12
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I can't find the facts to prove it, but I am certain that there were never 5 concordes at MAN simultaneously, especially on pier B. At the back of my mind there may have been either 2 at once, or 2 on the same day but not the same time, but that is all. The concordesst website refers to a picture of 5 BA concordes taken the day they retired from service - I suspect that may be the only time 5 were lined up together anywhere in the world!
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Not five, but there was a famous formation flight of four BA Concordes for some publicity purpose over the Channel. Dim memory tells me it was a Christmas Eve about 1984-ish. So I suppose there were 4 take-offs and landings in pretty close proximity at LHR.
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This thread brought back memories for me too. As a young spotter in about 1962/63 I often used to cycle to Ringway from near Lymm. I have a vague memory of noting a Gloster Meteor preserved there. Unfortunately all my notes have been lost in various house moves over many years. Has memory played tricks, or does anyone else remember it?If I am right, can anyone help with its serial please? Many tanks, George.
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I used to visit Ringway in the mid-60s but can't remember any Meteor being there unless it was hidden away in the hangers somewhere.
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Would any kind person on this thread be able to tell me where I could find out the serials of the Sabres that were refurbished by Airwork at Ringway in the 1950s?
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I have just read this thread from start to finish and it has just made me realise how much Manchester Airport has pervaded my life!
I am typing this sat in an hotel at Luxembourg airport in between flights as my job as a loadmaster, a direct result of my hobby as a spotter
Call me sad! but I remember the actual day I started spotting; 8th of August 1976 and I also remember "making" 68 aircraft and that was without decent binoculars to read of the stuff on the south side.
My first meeting with the airport was back in 1973 when my mum, dad and I emigrated to Zambia so it was a flight on a British Airways 1-11 down to Heathrow. It was the ensuing to-ing and fro-ing between Zambia and schooling back here that ignited my interest in aircraft and spotting. I remember the arduous journey by bus, the 211 from Hyde to Manchester then the 44 onwards to the airport. On Sundays I seem to remember catching the 400 in Denton I think it was, direct to the airport.
When I left school it was my intention to join the RAF but being rather unable to accept discipline I never pursued that avenue but some years later I found myself working from the freight centre at the airport for Captain Cargo!!
I then branched out on my own and ran a small delivery company again based at the airport. I went on to employ drivers and spent even more time at the airport spotting at the brickworks and then on to the newly opened AVP. It was from my almost daily visits to the viewing park that I met a certain gentleman that worked for an airline and who was also a spotter that I ended up first working in operations then becoming a loadmaster and all because of Manchester airport!!
I still live 8.5 miles out from 23R and whenever I am home I am still to be found with my head stuck out of my loft window or down at the airport (not as much now as the AVP has lost it's original lustre, but that's another long saga).
We all know now that Manchester airport, indeed any airport, is a different animal to what it used to be in days gone by. Completely impersonal and sterile, not the friendly welcoming place it used to be but I still feel very close to the place.
Sorry if I have waffled somewhat
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Ringway had that effect on a number of young tykes just after the war. They formed a loose association and kept in touch over the years as they progressed thru' life.

One of them, known to all as Mike, went on to greater things in the midlands. He retired recently having sold his shares to chaps from the country that perhaps helped shape his interest in aeroplanes.

Funny how things turn out. Anyone care to guess his surname?

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I suspect.....the Ecclesiastical Knight?!
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Born in Cheadle, worked at Airviews for the late Bruce Martin taking money for the pleasure flights, friend of Ray & Jim.
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Ah! Bruce Martin. In my brief sojourn at Mach as an ATCO Cadet there was a flight progress strip in approach which was permanently marked and pulled out at the appropriate times, it simply read, "Bruce is loose."
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Bruce's Auster G-AGXN still current. Bruce sadly missed
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Read this with interest, I wasnt a spotter as a kid, just another annoying little urchin drawn to the aiport for a mooch around, used to charge around the car parks on our bikes, up the travellator things, scrounge baggage tags and watch the planes from the top of the multi story, I rememeber the rubber tiles and their distinctive odour ! I remember taking bikes up in the T1 car park lift and getting in the way of travellers, I remember the doors to said lifts having loads of baggage tag residue, mainly due to them coming off luggage but also kids sticking them on the doors to see them rip when the doors opened, remember there were no Xboxes then in 1983 or therabouts when I was 12/13.

I remember buying, randomly a travel toothbrush, dont know why, wasnt that keen on cleaning my teetch back them, seem to remember being asked nicely to move on by an airport employee, it seemed a big adventure.


I didnt fly on a plane until I was 15 on a school holiday, it had rear stairs, Bac 1-11 I think, I noticed rust as we entered up the stairs, right old heap, very noisy !

A few years later I got a job with a small freight company called M and W, would be early 1987, based in building 217, largely left to my own devices as it was me and an airport freight bloke called Peter "Biffa" Powell who was out selling, I used to have to take the post to the post office in T1 arrivals each night, a short walk away, used to get some sweets from the shop there as well, was always envious of all the people travelling on planes and would walk back and get the Bus home.

Moved to another freight company, still had to do the post run, but in a borrowed car, much more fun !

Worked on the cargo centre for a while as well, then got out of freight entirely to go to college and learn IT, over the holidays I got offered a job by a bloke in the pub i was workign in with SAS working on the bar in T1 deaprtures, serving food and drinks, cleaning up, skiving, pinching food and getting lashed on Carlsberg Elephant Beer ! excellent fun, the bosses were called Borge Ruby and his sidekick Abbas, when they went it was party time if it was quiet, or bedlam if full of holiday flight, girls grabbing innapropriate parts when collecting empties, a few lads were a bit unpleasant so I chatted to a copper I knew and pointed in their direction but not at them (they didnt know that) and as he had a machine gun the shut right up ! use to do a waiter/tray service, the tips were fantastic, used to get to go airside to change barrells and Post Mix drinks. Remember the influx of Asian People when the PIA was leaving, ancient smoking 747 packed to the gunnels, one person leaving 20 to see them go, many wailing ladies !

Used to have a large, slightly unhinged woman come in and sit for hours, as if having a conversation with someone who wasnt there, is this the Bess that was mentioned, I remember her as being Big Bertha ?

I was in T1 the other day and its barely recognisable, there is a duty free shop where the bar was I worked on, the Ice cream kiosk is long gone as is the bar down to the left, everything is now through passport control, only recognisable bits are the sock shop and that side, WHSmith has moved, used to love killing an hour reading the magazines in there back then.

Funny, now I look on those times fondly and miss them, despite having got my wish and now fly fairly often, its lost its charm though now, the airport that is.
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Well this has brought back memories!

I was a spotter at MAN from 1971-6. I remember Peter Hardy/PB Enterprises. I went on one of his trips once, I think to the Midlands, but nearly all my trips were with Eric Rowell/Norwag. Whatever happened to him?

I've got several photos taken there in the 1970s on jetphotos.net (Michael Blank) and can't resist posting this link to a photo I took of a star visitor in 1973, an Alitalia 747!

Flickr Photo Download: Manchester1973Alitalia747

I went out to the airport specially after school to see that-747s were very much still a rarity in 1973, let alone an Alitalia one. Anyone know why it came in?

Did my first flight from MAN in August 1962 on a BEA Vanguard to LHR, but unfortunately, as I was only four at the time, I've no memory of it, tho I do remember later flights to LHR on these aircraft-fabulous.

I lived in Cheadle and used to walk a long way to the far end of Gatley to catch the 44 to the airport.

I fly quite frequently through the airport nowadays: a soulless shopping centre, but efficient and with probably the best spectator facilities in the UK. The AVP doesn't really compare with the terraces, but as most airports nowadays seem to have no provision for spectators, by current standards it's marvellous. And they've now got there, a Concorde, a Trident 3, an RJX, a Monarch DC10 forward fuselage, plus, the latest arrival, a Nimrod.

More memories: a Pomair Ostend DC6B in the north bay one am; an Invicta DC4 coming in in 1971; a CSA Avia 14 coming in the same year-unbelievable to me at the time; sitting in the glasshouse; the Wardair 727; the very noisy and smokey Spantax CV990As; Air Spain DC8s; BOAC 707s and Super(?) VC10s; BEA Viscounts and Vanguards; Alitalia and Air France Caravelles; a Lofleidir CL44 in one of the north bays one morning; the appalling noise of BEA's Super 1-11s-they left behind an awful "crackling" noise when taking off; an Aer Turas DC7C; the first 747 to visit, taking off over my parents' house (it was BOAC, not Pan Am, I'm pretty sure); waiting till after dark one day for a Moormanair DC3 to come in; BIA Heralds; Air Anglia DC3s; a friend throwing one of my shoes onto the apron!-a kind airport worker threw it back; three C119s coming in early one morning-what air force were they and what on earth were they doing coming into M/C?; Dan Air Comets and later 727s; the Dan Air Nord 262; Cambrian Viscounts; Fairey DC3 G-AHCT coming in to the airport to die-it hung around for about two years; SAS DC9s; Sabena Caravelles and 727s; Invicta Vanguards-superb; the BMA Viscount that crashed in 1969 was G-AVJA; Swissair DC9s; Aviogenex Tu134As-I've got a photo of one of those on jetphotos.net; the Kar Air DC6BF, OH-KDA; SAS Caravelles; I'm reading a lot of these from my log book for 1972-the only one I've still got; Alitalia DC9s; BMA Viscounts; G-ARAI and G-ASNC-two eternally present light aircraft; RAF Britannias doing overshoots; an IAF C97 coming in to do two overshoots in 1974; BEA Tridents; KLM DC9s and occasionally DC8s; Tarom Ilyushin 18s; Dan Air 748s; a Donaldson Britannia; Carlos Santana and his band coming in on an Electra-very rare then; etc etc-I've left out what I consider to be the more boring ones, like Laker 1-11s, Aer Lingus 737s and 1-11s, BCAL 1-11s.

The wide body pier was under construction in 1971-I know, because I've got a (rather poor) photo of an Air France Caravelle parked on the west side of the International pier and the pier is under construction in the background, thus bringing an end to runway 28/10. I've still got most of my CAMs from those days and I am so glad now that I took a few photos in between spotting-again, see jetphotos.net.

Happy days.

For more photos by me from the 1970s, taken at MAN, go to Proplinerman on flickr.com, page 4-BEA Viscount and Vanguard, Dan Air Comet, a BMA Viscount in a hybrid livery, an Invicta Vanguard.

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XC-DUC Mexican DC6-B?

G-AOBV, G-ATRW, incessant circuits, Sabena DC3 freighters, Morton Air Services Herons, Raffles Raincoats D.H. Dove-G-ARZW,

Diversions, Kingdom of Libya Caravelles, BUA VC10's, etc, etc. Random memories.
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