WHAT, WHERE and WHEN
Originally Posted by henry crun
MReyn24050: If you are right what is that big white nosewheel type in the left background ?
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Second thoughts wrong type of hangers for Linton-on-Ouse. Possibly one of the RAF German Airfields? Also judging by the tail markings there appears to be two squadrons together. I think the big white bird is too big for a Caravelle.
Originally Posted by MReyn24050
I think the big white bird is too big for a Caravelle.
Hmmmm, could well be - difficult to tell.
I see it as a Caravelle parked nose towards the hangar. The whole tail surfaces are very Caravell like - the fin curving up from a dorsal spine and the tailplane mounted part way up. The wing is also very flat with little or no dihedral like the Caravelle.
Well, I still see it as a C-124 parked on the north apron at Prestwick and I think I can see the unit band on the tail and the front clamshell doors open!
You will note that the ramp the Sabres are parked on is down in a dip exactly like Scottish Aviation at Prestwick. I think the hangars are still there and I think I even recognise the wall in the foreground!
You will note that the ramp the Sabres are parked on is down in a dip exactly like Scottish Aviation at Prestwick. I think the hangars are still there and I think I even recognise the wall in the foreground!
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Originally Posted by spekesoftly
Ex-RCAF Sabres with Airwork at Ringway mid-fifties, prior to delivery to Greece or Turkey under Mutual Defence Aid agreements?
However, it is reported that between 1956 and 1958, 302 ex-RAF Sabres were returned to the USAF. These planes were painted in camouflage, provided with USAF national markings and even given spurious USAF serial numbers (actually their original RCAF serials). These were assigned the designation F-86E(M) for record-keeping purposes, where the M stood for *Modified*. Could these be those aircraft awaiting shipment?
Originally Posted by JW411
Well, I still see it as a C-124 parked on the north apron at Prestwick and I think I can see the unit band on the tail and the front clamshell doors open!
MReyn 24050:
Now we are getting somewhere; you have jogged my memory. The hangar complex on the left is relatively modern and was constructed for the final assembly of Jetstreams and, I think, ATPs.
On that site originally was a triple hangar complex identical to those in the centre of the photograph Those are the hangars (now demolished) that you can see in the Sabre photograph.
The Sabres are parked on the ramp above Findhorn Road and under W 4° 35' 17" which originally stretched to the right and made a triangle.
The C-124 is parked somewhere near the helicopter landing spot in the top left corner of your photo.
I wonder if the aeroplane between the C-124 and the last Sabre on the left could be a Twin Pin. The hangar on the left of the complex was known as the flight shed I think.
Now we are getting somewhere; you have jogged my memory. The hangar complex on the left is relatively modern and was constructed for the final assembly of Jetstreams and, I think, ATPs.
On that site originally was a triple hangar complex identical to those in the centre of the photograph Those are the hangars (now demolished) that you can see in the Sabre photograph.
The Sabres are parked on the ramp above Findhorn Road and under W 4° 35' 17" which originally stretched to the right and made a triangle.
The C-124 is parked somewhere near the helicopter landing spot in the top left corner of your photo.
I wonder if the aeroplane between the C-124 and the last Sabre on the left could be a Twin Pin. The hangar on the left of the complex was known as the flight shed I think.
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Originally Posted by JW411
Now we are getting somewhere; you have jogged my memory. The Sabres are parked on the ramp above Findhorn Road and under W 4° 35' 17" which originally stretched to the right and made a triangle.
The C-124 is parked somewhere near the helicopter landing spot in the top left corner of your photo.
The C-124 is parked somewhere near the helicopter landing spot in the top left corner of your photo.
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Further information regarding the Sabre Aircraft.
I found the following information in a publication issued by the CANADA AVIATION MUSEUM entitled "CANADAIR F-86 SABRE MK.6"
“444 (F) Squadron of the Royal Canadian Air Force was reformed as a fighter unit on 1 March 1953 and equipped with Sabre Aircraft and was initially based at St. Hubert, Quebec. It was the last of the fighter squadrons to be designated as part of the RCAF commitment to NATO. Accordingly, 444 (F) Squadron was to be relocated to 4 (F) Wing at Baden Soellingen, West Germany by 15 August 1953. Due primarily to weather delays, the flight overseas took place between 27 August and 3 September 1953 in Operation Leapfrog IV.
The squadron served as a fighter squadron until it was deactivated on 1 March 1963 and reformed in the nuclear strike role on 27 May 1963 equipped with CF-104 aircraft.
The squadron’s Sabre Aircraft (24 in total) were flown to Prestwick, Scotland in Operation Sal Siesta where most were ultimately scrapped. One aircraft (23455) escaped the scrap pile and ultimately became the Canada Aviation Museum’s Sabre.”
A further reference to RCAF Sabres being scrapped at Prestwick is given in 412 Squadron RCAF's history:-
"In October 1952, the Squadron again moved overseas in what was known as Operation Leap-frog II. 421, in company with 416 and 430 Squadrons, flew their single-seater Sabre jet fighters across the Atlantic to their new base at 2 Fighter Wing, Grostenquin, France. These three Souadrons thus became the first RCAF Squadrons to be stationed on the European continent since March 1946. From October 1952 to July 1963, the Squadron flew Sabres as part of 1 Air Division in support of NATO. On 31 July 1963, the Squadron held a shutdown parade and two weeks later the Sabres were flown to Prestwick, Scotland; their final resting place."
So the aircraft in the photograph could be ex RCAF aircraft.
I found the following information in a publication issued by the CANADA AVIATION MUSEUM entitled "CANADAIR F-86 SABRE MK.6"
“444 (F) Squadron of the Royal Canadian Air Force was reformed as a fighter unit on 1 March 1953 and equipped with Sabre Aircraft and was initially based at St. Hubert, Quebec. It was the last of the fighter squadrons to be designated as part of the RCAF commitment to NATO. Accordingly, 444 (F) Squadron was to be relocated to 4 (F) Wing at Baden Soellingen, West Germany by 15 August 1953. Due primarily to weather delays, the flight overseas took place between 27 August and 3 September 1953 in Operation Leapfrog IV.
The squadron served as a fighter squadron until it was deactivated on 1 March 1963 and reformed in the nuclear strike role on 27 May 1963 equipped with CF-104 aircraft.
The squadron’s Sabre Aircraft (24 in total) were flown to Prestwick, Scotland in Operation Sal Siesta where most were ultimately scrapped. One aircraft (23455) escaped the scrap pile and ultimately became the Canada Aviation Museum’s Sabre.”
A further reference to RCAF Sabres being scrapped at Prestwick is given in 412 Squadron RCAF's history:-
"In October 1952, the Squadron again moved overseas in what was known as Operation Leap-frog II. 421, in company with 416 and 430 Squadrons, flew their single-seater Sabre jet fighters across the Atlantic to their new base at 2 Fighter Wing, Grostenquin, France. These three Souadrons thus became the first RCAF Squadrons to be stationed on the European continent since March 1946. From October 1952 to July 1963, the Squadron flew Sabres as part of 1 Air Division in support of NATO. On 31 July 1963, the Squadron held a shutdown parade and two weeks later the Sabres were flown to Prestwick, Scotland; their final resting place."
So the aircraft in the photograph could be ex RCAF aircraft.
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Well done JW411
Prestwick 1962-4 taken from a road. Had to get dad to stop the car seeing so many 'planes. Here' another taken at the same stop with 3 others to identify.
Sorry about the quality, 'twas only a Brownie127
Prestwick 1962-4 taken from a road. Had to get dad to stop the car seeing so many 'planes. Here' another taken at the same stop with 3 others to identify.
Sorry about the quality, 'twas only a Brownie127
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So if Fishtailed said the date was 1962-64 they would most certainly have been Ex RCAF Sabres awaiting to be scrapped. almost makes them candidates for the "Saddest Looking aircraft" thread.
The other aircraft are possibly
Pembroke
Comet C.Mk2
Shackleton M.R.3
The other aircraft are possibly
Pembroke
Comet C.Mk2
Shackleton M.R.3
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Fishtailed,
Photo 2 looks like a Sea Prince, then maybe a Convair C-131, followed by C-124 Globemaster, and then a Lockheed E-121 Warning Star.
From the time when the US had a base at Prestwick, which closed in 1966
Photo 2 looks like a Sea Prince, then maybe a Convair C-131, followed by C-124 Globemaster, and then a Lockheed E-121 Warning Star.
From the time when the US had a base at Prestwick, which closed in 1966
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Doh! I meant Kinloss... Honest!
On the subject of aircraft with common wings, somehow the Bristol Britannia's wings ended up on the Shorts Belfast.
But upside down, apparently...
As you say, the quality of the photograph is not good. I can only see three aircraft and from the left I think we have:
Grumman SA-16 Albatross, Douglas SC-54 and then the same C-124 as was shown on the original photograph.
The SA-16 and the SC-54 are probably from the resident 67th Air Rescue Squadron.
I need to get out!
Grumman SA-16 Albatross, Douglas SC-54 and then the same C-124 as was shown on the original photograph.
The SA-16 and the SC-54 are probably from the resident 67th Air Rescue Squadron.
I need to get out!
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Originally Posted by Blacksheep
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On the subject of aircraft with common wings, somehow the Bristol Britannia's wings ended up on the Shorts Belfast.
But upside down, apparently...
On the subject of aircraft with common wings, somehow the Bristol Britannia's wings ended up on the Shorts Belfast.
But upside down, apparently...
In March 1959 the Brittanic 3A was proposed to meet the Air Staff's requirements this proposal used the standard Brittania wings bolted to a parallel-chord centre-section of 16ft 6in in span built into the top of the fuselage, thus increasing increasing the wing area to 2,454 sq ft and moving all the nacelles outboard by 8ft 3in; the inner nacelles were moved 4ft back towards the wing roots thus creating the opportunity to fit larger airscrews at a later date if needed.
In April 1959 the name Brittanic was dropped in favour of the name Belfast.Several major components were sub-contracted, the rear fuselage and loading ramp to Saunders-Roe, power plant installation to Vickers-Armstrong in view of the similarity to the existing design for the Vanguard.
The design and manufacture of the Belfast wing was assigned to Bristol aircraft Ltd.