Concorde (merged)
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Lichfield UK
Posts: 163
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Does America deserve a Concorde for preservation!??
After all it was their politically vocal outbursts at the noise and pollution of Conc in the early 70s (lets face it - it was pure jealousy!!) that was instrumental in its failure as a money making success across the pond and the states!
Yah booh suck America!!
After all it was their politically vocal outbursts at the noise and pollution of Conc in the early 70s (lets face it - it was pure jealousy!!) that was instrumental in its failure as a money making success across the pond and the states!
Yah booh suck America!!
Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: London
Posts: 708
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
More Final Day Info - Not yet corroborated
Apparent BAA release, thanks to 'rainbow' on www.concordesst.com
"As you know, Friday 24 October is the last day for commercial flights of Concorde. We fully appreciate the interest that this event creates for aviation enthusiasts.
That day also falls in the school holiday period, and as such it is already expected to be one of the busiest days of the year at Heathrow.
I know you'll appreciate that our primary duty must be to ensure that those passengers travelling in and out of Heathrow on that day can do so without their trips being threatened.
We are strongly advising members of the public not to come to the airport on that day, but we are making some limited viewing facilities available for enthusiasts on the north side of the airport, where Concorde's movements will be concentrated.
Our advice to enthusiasts is:
- There will be no special parking arrangements available at the airport, and existing car parks will be reserved for passengers only. Therefore for those who do wish to come to the airport, they are strongly advised to come by public transport (Piccadilly Line, Heathrow Express and local bus routes).
- Some limited grandstand facility is planned for Friday 24th
October in front of the Visitor Centre between the A4 and the Northern Perimeter Road.
- There will be no vantage points for spectators within the central terminal area ? the spectators' viewing area remains closed on DfT advice, and car park roofs will not be open to spectators. Anyone using the central terminal area as a vantage point will be moved on by the Police.
- The Police will be actively managing the roads around the
perimeter of the airport and so you are strongly advised to avoid illegal parking.
We want you to be able to watch Concorde's last flight in a safe and enjoyable way, so please help us to minimise traffic and disruption by working with us along these lines, and share this information with other enthusiasts.
We have had to implement traffic and other limitations to ensure public safety: your support in this will be invaluable.
Thanks very much in advance - we hope you enjoy watching the last flight."
"As you know, Friday 24 October is the last day for commercial flights of Concorde. We fully appreciate the interest that this event creates for aviation enthusiasts.
That day also falls in the school holiday period, and as such it is already expected to be one of the busiest days of the year at Heathrow.
I know you'll appreciate that our primary duty must be to ensure that those passengers travelling in and out of Heathrow on that day can do so without their trips being threatened.
We are strongly advising members of the public not to come to the airport on that day, but we are making some limited viewing facilities available for enthusiasts on the north side of the airport, where Concorde's movements will be concentrated.
Our advice to enthusiasts is:
- There will be no special parking arrangements available at the airport, and existing car parks will be reserved for passengers only. Therefore for those who do wish to come to the airport, they are strongly advised to come by public transport (Piccadilly Line, Heathrow Express and local bus routes).
- Some limited grandstand facility is planned for Friday 24th
October in front of the Visitor Centre between the A4 and the Northern Perimeter Road.
- There will be no vantage points for spectators within the central terminal area ? the spectators' viewing area remains closed on DfT advice, and car park roofs will not be open to spectators. Anyone using the central terminal area as a vantage point will be moved on by the Police.
- The Police will be actively managing the roads around the
perimeter of the airport and so you are strongly advised to avoid illegal parking.
We want you to be able to watch Concorde's last flight in a safe and enjoyable way, so please help us to minimise traffic and disruption by working with us along these lines, and share this information with other enthusiasts.
We have had to implement traffic and other limitations to ensure public safety: your support in this will be invaluable.
Thanks very much in advance - we hope you enjoy watching the last flight."
That about sums BAA up - as unhelpful towards those that are interested in aviation as ever !
GOD they really do make me absolutely sick with their attitude towards the aviation enthusiast !
GOD they really do make me absolutely sick with their attitude towards the aviation enthusiast !
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: London.
Posts: 174
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
OK then, thanks for the replies, basically everything I've already read myself. Your thoughts are shared with millions I guess, including myself. I will absolutely 100% be there for this momentous occasion, as sad as it may be........ Hope the weather holds out for her/them/us/me! Good luck to all those coming to see her home, glad she's returning to base. Those not already been able to witness this, make sure you come along, and be prepared for SPEED!!!! She's SO SO fast, both on landing and T/O.
LJ.
LJ.
Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: London
Posts: 708
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Nogbad - I'm not a 'spotter' but over the last few weeks my interest in Concorde has led me to sites I wouldn't normally bother with. What has consistently come across is that these people are actually quite aligned with the authorities. There's no anti airport authority/police sentiment I've seen - they just want to watch aircraft within whatever the rules are.
So, not sure you're speaking on their behalf.
Sure, BAA could have done all sorts for the last day, but as long as they aren't turning people away, then that's not so bad - sentiment aside they have a legit pressure which is running the airport. And I bet there's more than a few BAA management that wish it wasn't so, if only for that day... just imagine; being able to turn over EGLL exclusively for the event.
So, not sure you're speaking on their behalf.
Sure, BAA could have done all sorts for the last day, but as long as they aren't turning people away, then that's not so bad - sentiment aside they have a legit pressure which is running the airport. And I bet there's more than a few BAA management that wish it wasn't so, if only for that day... just imagine; being able to turn over EGLL exclusively for the event.
''dreaming''
7 ship fly past with run in and break off for landing.
Oh i wish this could happen, but alas we're only going to get a landing (maybe a planned sneaky go-around! hoping)
7 ship fly past with run in and break off for landing.
Oh i wish this could happen, but alas we're only going to get a landing (maybe a planned sneaky go-around! hoping)
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Lichfield UK
Posts: 163
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
CONCORDE @ bhx
For anyone not around LHR, dont forget shes doing a final "tour" during that week.
I have times for Birmingham on Monday 20 October-
Arr 11.40 L, Depart 16.05L
She will be parked on the"old" side of the airport during the stay.
BA web site has more details , although I had to ring BHX PR direct for times.
I have times for Birmingham on Monday 20 October-
Arr 11.40 L, Depart 16.05L
She will be parked on the"old" side of the airport during the stay.
BA web site has more details , although I had to ring BHX PR direct for times.
Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: London
Posts: 708
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
For those who are not going down to Heathrow on the 24th:
Concorde's Final Bow, BBC2, 15:45 - 16:15 will be covering the event live.
Additionally, the week before:
Timewatch Concorde Special - Oct 19th
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
TIMEWATCH: CONCORDE – A LOVE STORY
SAT. OCTOBER 19TH 2003 BBC2 8.00 PM
Concorde – A Love Story tells the remarkable story of the life of the world’s only supersonic passenger jet.
A landmark documentary commissioned by the BBC’s flagship history series Timewatch, the broadcast will coincide with the retirement of the plane from the British Airways fleet this October after 27 years in service.
The film takes us through the aircraft's origins, development and birth, exploring the debates within and between the British and French governments as well as the story of its construction and first flight.
Through interviews with the key players who were crucial to the development of the story, we explore what Concorde has meant to Britain as a symbol of technological progress, of European prestige and as a cultural icon, while the touching recollections of designers, crew and passengers reveal the place that Concorde occupies in the public imagination not just in Britain, but around the world.
Concorde flies at twice the speed of sound - faster than a rifle bullet. It cruises at 11 miles high and makes the trip to NY in just over 3 hours. It has been likened to a modern time machine, able to get passengers to New York two hours before they left London.
The Russians built a supersonic passenger jet, but it crashed. The Americans tried to build one but got no further than an expensive wooden mock up. Britain and France's unmatched success was an achievement that many have compared to the American moon landings.
Featured interviews include those with former pilots including Brian Calvert and Jock Lowe. Other first hand accounts in the UK include Lord Heseltine, whose job it was to sell Concorde, Sir David Frost, with over 400 flights to his name one of the most frequent flyers, film director and general Concorde fan Michael Winner, and JJ Burnel of the Stranglers who once penned a song protesting against the plane's American opponents. Ken Binning and Christopher Banjamin, civil servants formerly in charge of Concorde, tell the inside political story of its development, while Jospehine and Sarah Wiggs, whose father Richard founded the Anti-Concorde project, put the case for the plane's economic and environmental opponents.
U.S. interviewees include frequent flyer Dr. Henry Kissinger (former Secretary of State), supersonic opponent Robert MacNamara (former Defence Secretary under President Kennedy) and William T Coleman Jr, (Former Secretary of Transportation) whose landmark decision allowed Concorde to fly London to New York, the crucial route for which it was principally designed.
In France our contributors include former Air France Chief Concorde pilot Edouard Chemel, as well as the first man to fly Concorde, former French test pilot André Turcat.
[Edited: Revised schedule, moved from the 18th to Sunday 19th]
Concorde's Final Bow, BBC2, 15:45 - 16:15 will be covering the event live.
Additionally, the week before:
Timewatch Concorde Special - Oct 19th
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
TIMEWATCH: CONCORDE – A LOVE STORY
SAT. OCTOBER 19TH 2003 BBC2 8.00 PM
Concorde – A Love Story tells the remarkable story of the life of the world’s only supersonic passenger jet.
A landmark documentary commissioned by the BBC’s flagship history series Timewatch, the broadcast will coincide with the retirement of the plane from the British Airways fleet this October after 27 years in service.
The film takes us through the aircraft's origins, development and birth, exploring the debates within and between the British and French governments as well as the story of its construction and first flight.
Through interviews with the key players who were crucial to the development of the story, we explore what Concorde has meant to Britain as a symbol of technological progress, of European prestige and as a cultural icon, while the touching recollections of designers, crew and passengers reveal the place that Concorde occupies in the public imagination not just in Britain, but around the world.
Concorde flies at twice the speed of sound - faster than a rifle bullet. It cruises at 11 miles high and makes the trip to NY in just over 3 hours. It has been likened to a modern time machine, able to get passengers to New York two hours before they left London.
The Russians built a supersonic passenger jet, but it crashed. The Americans tried to build one but got no further than an expensive wooden mock up. Britain and France's unmatched success was an achievement that many have compared to the American moon landings.
Featured interviews include those with former pilots including Brian Calvert and Jock Lowe. Other first hand accounts in the UK include Lord Heseltine, whose job it was to sell Concorde, Sir David Frost, with over 400 flights to his name one of the most frequent flyers, film director and general Concorde fan Michael Winner, and JJ Burnel of the Stranglers who once penned a song protesting against the plane's American opponents. Ken Binning and Christopher Banjamin, civil servants formerly in charge of Concorde, tell the inside political story of its development, while Jospehine and Sarah Wiggs, whose father Richard founded the Anti-Concorde project, put the case for the plane's economic and environmental opponents.
U.S. interviewees include frequent flyer Dr. Henry Kissinger (former Secretary of State), supersonic opponent Robert MacNamara (former Defence Secretary under President Kennedy) and William T Coleman Jr, (Former Secretary of Transportation) whose landmark decision allowed Concorde to fly London to New York, the crucial route for which it was principally designed.
In France our contributors include former Air France Chief Concorde pilot Edouard Chemel, as well as the first man to fly Concorde, former French test pilot André Turcat.
[Edited: Revised schedule, moved from the 18th to Sunday 19th]
Last edited by paulo; 14th Oct 2003 at 07:10.
There are rumours that 3 of the 5 airworthy jets are going overseas for preservation. Manchester and Filton will each get an example, whilst jets will retire to Barbados, New York (on the USS Inteprid!) and Seattle respectively.
This news was posted on the Concordesst.com forum.
Mark
This news was posted on the Concordesst.com forum.
Mark
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: London
Posts: 2,916
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I thought my fellow Concorde lovers might be interested in seeing these videos of the last Air France Concorde departure from JFK which an American friend sent me. They're in the public domain but I don't think they've been posted on Pprune before.
The first two were filmed from the roof of the JFK Tower, with tower-aircraft audio.
The third was filmed from the side of the runway.
They are big files, but very good quality. If you're on dialup connection, you may want to download them.
Tri-colour 'Water Salute' from the Port Authority Police, and taxi from the stand.
http://d732081.u35.neureal.com/concfarewell.wmv
Position and hold, goodbyes, takeoff, controller from top of tower, shots of the controllers who worked the flight.
http://d732081.u35.neureal.com/concfarewell2.wmv
From the Runway -- Aviation photographer Carlos Borda was on the side of the runway when AFR001 took off... http://www.daveschoen.com/carlosbordalastconc53103.mpg (Sound is poor.)
Mini-sampler to whet the appetite .....
Tudor Owen
These are of AF. Hopefully there'll be even better videos of the last BA departure.
The first two were filmed from the roof of the JFK Tower, with tower-aircraft audio.
The third was filmed from the side of the runway.
They are big files, but very good quality. If you're on dialup connection, you may want to download them.
Tri-colour 'Water Salute' from the Port Authority Police, and taxi from the stand.
http://d732081.u35.neureal.com/concfarewell.wmv
Position and hold, goodbyes, takeoff, controller from top of tower, shots of the controllers who worked the flight.
http://d732081.u35.neureal.com/concfarewell2.wmv
From the Runway -- Aviation photographer Carlos Borda was on the side of the runway when AFR001 took off... http://www.daveschoen.com/carlosbordalastconc53103.mpg (Sound is poor.)
Mini-sampler to whet the appetite .....
Tudor Owen
These are of AF. Hopefully there'll be even better videos of the last BA departure.
Last edited by Flying Lawyer; 12th Oct 2003 at 02:26.
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: western europe
Posts: 1,367
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
FL ... thought you might like to see the following photo .... this was Alpha Fox doing "Touch and Goes" in SNN August 2001 ..... even the local Golden retriever turned out to see her .... lol
http://www.geocities.com/hobie_1_199...?1010792493080
we will certainly miss Concorde in Shannon ....
cheers .... hobie ....
http://www.geocities.com/hobie_1_199...?1010792493080
we will certainly miss Concorde in Shannon ....
cheers .... hobie ....
Have any been allocated yet? Anyone know where G-BOAD (very fond memories!) is going to end up?
G-BOAA and 'AB are not airworthy so I presume one of these will go on display at Heathrow.
HTH, Mark
Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: London
Posts: 708
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Tonight I joined up with people from www.concordesst.com for the delayed outbound... ber-limey. If you've not seen it take off, esp. at night, you need to. Gobsmacking. 
Full report tomorrow when I'm sober.
Full report tomorrow when I'm sober.
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: London
Posts: 2,916
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
ABC News Report
(Thanks for the pic Hobie. That's a special one for you to look back on in years to come.)
Concorde Sets New London-To-U.S. Record
BOSTON Oct. 8
BOSTON Oct. 8
— One of the Concorde's last flights was also its fastest.
The British Airways supersonic jetliner landed in Boston Wednesday in a record London-to-U.S. time of three hours, five minutes and 34 seconds, according to airline spokesman Jeff Angel.
The old record of three hours and nine minutes was set in 1974 on a flight from Paris to Boston.
Captain Michael Bannister, Chief Concorde Pilot for British Airways waves after the Concorde landed in Boston. (AP Photo/Robert E. Klein)
The Concorde is visiting Boston as part of its North American farewell tour, which includes stops in Washington and Toronto.
The fleet is being taken out of service because of rising costs. The aircraft's last trans-Atlantic flight is Oct. 24.
The Concorde makes the London-to-Boston trip nearly two hours quicker than a traditional jet aircraft. It travels at 60,000 feet at more than 1,300 mph, twice the speed of sound.
The British Airways supersonic jetliner landed in Boston Wednesday in a record London-to-U.S. time of three hours, five minutes and 34 seconds, according to airline spokesman Jeff Angel.
The old record of three hours and nine minutes was set in 1974 on a flight from Paris to Boston.
Captain Michael Bannister, Chief Concorde Pilot for British Airways waves after the Concorde landed in Boston. (AP Photo/Robert E. Klein) The Concorde is visiting Boston as part of its North American farewell tour, which includes stops in Washington and Toronto.
The fleet is being taken out of service because of rising costs. The aircraft's last trans-Atlantic flight is Oct. 24.
The Concorde makes the London-to-Boston trip nearly two hours quicker than a traditional jet aircraft. It travels at 60,000 feet at more than 1,300 mph, twice the speed of sound.
(Thanks for the pic Hobie. That's a special one for you to look back on in years to come.)
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: Northants, UK
Posts: 667
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
SSD-
From 'sst1' on the ConcordeSST forums:
The NY one is for the USS Intrepid museum, which is not exactly famed for the good condition of its aircraft exhibits.
Can't say I'm impressed if the list is accurate. 3 departing the UK?? What about Cosford with its BA airliner collection?
Have any been allocated yet?
well how about these as the final resting place
1.OAD 27th oct to new york.
2. OAC 31st oct to manchester
3.OAE/G 3rd nov to seatle
4.OAE/G 10th nov to barbados
5.OAF 17th nov to filton.
these are pretty acurate and i belive that mike bannister will be flying them .items 3. and 4. could be either OAE or OAG depending on servicability at the time.
1.OAD 27th oct to new york.
2. OAC 31st oct to manchester
3.OAE/G 3rd nov to seatle
4.OAE/G 10th nov to barbados
5.OAF 17th nov to filton.
these are pretty acurate and i belive that mike bannister will be flying them .items 3. and 4. could be either OAE or OAG depending on servicability at the time.
Can't say I'm impressed if the list is accurate. 3 departing the UK?? What about Cosford with its BA airliner collection?