Have just heard that the money on offer now is better than pacblue and jitconnect. Have been told BASE now around 150k plus a bonus which is given after every year of service that is completed.
Will be funny to see the rush from jetconnect etc now!!!!!
Have also heard the bases are akl and christchurch.
Most other conditions are similar to the australian one, although leave and super are alittle different...

Sorry Blacksmoke, negativity wasn't directed at you, more at this stupid company who cant make their damn mind up on how low they think the positions should be worth!

Blacksmoke!!
Thats great news!!
Where did you hear that??
What are F/Os being paid?

sunstar , initially it was just going to be akl as the base, as ch was going to stay under the aust conditions. And no, it was yesterday that this came out, so before you sprout out , and make stupid comments get your facts correct. Although you may not care, or be interested in this, there are some good guys out there who are....
not sure on the updated f/o conditions.

skystar, no worries, and yes it is alittle bit of a worry when the company keeps changing the deal, but I must admit, in the current market, with the amount of guys around, and all the ones wanting to come home to either oz or nz, I can see why they are playing these games. I am not saying I agree with them, but its really no different to what happens in europe with the low cost carriers and charter airlines.
Hopefully once its up and running, the guys over time will be able to increase the overall package as the market changes, just like the pilots at jitconnect etc did....

Miss Saigon, for a start if you've been in "Aus now for 8 years" You're out of touch, and can't really comment on the difference. So I'm guessing that what pretty much make you full of drivel, so to speak.

If you were somewhere left of Taupo as your profile reads of course your expensive lifestyle in Syd or Perth will be far more expensive than that you had experienced in good ol NZ.

If you're happy to come home and live in AUCLAND to be paid 65,000 flying an A320 then go right ahead. After all this is what this thread is about. I'd imagine you'd have a similar amount of complaints to that of where you are living right now as you seem to be quite a passionate individual.

Cheers ballbag :)

Your lack of any level of maturity is showing Fruet Mich. Far from being "out of touch" my experience here and very recently in NZ have highlighted these differences. You really need to experience some life before you start drivelling on as you do.

$65k and living in AKL??? You poor hard-done-by wee thing. Makes my $22k living in NZQN/NZWF seem a wastefully salubrious lifestyle :hmm::ugh: -any wonder I left??? Nah, the real wonder is I would go back to it in a heartbeat. In fact, I will do very soon. I really would like to have your problems FM. Grow up, fetch yourself a can of Harden Up and get on with it. You really don't know which direction your arse is pointing in.

Ewww nasty, poor wee fella. Where has this come from Miss Saigon? We've all done the hard yards fella. I once earned 23k flying GA in Auckland living the dream as you would put it.

I'm obviously not on this planet solid enough to fathom your angryness? Seems a little excessive your ranting and raving. As I said...

If you want to fly an A320 based in Auckland for $65,000, come on home! I choose not to. Maybe because you're such an arrogant little shiza companies in NZ won't hire you.

As for my ranting and raving, perhaps you may want to read earlier posts from other members upset at the terms and conditions on offer.

My earlier post about NZ conditions compared to AUS conditions were proved wrong a few pages back, so why be so angryness ballbag?

Come on home!!! You can earn more than 22k living in QN now!

Now take a valium and drink a big ol cup of shut the F@&k up! :)

I'm not even the slightest bit angry Fruet Mich -despite your poor attempts at provoking me. Wasting energy on people that I don't care for and situations I didn't put myself into is not my style. I'm just disgusted at how hard done by you appear to think you are. Typically Gen-Y attitude. You chose to pursue the A-320 or whatever it is you currently fly, wherever it is you currently fly. You accepted the T&C's on offer. I'm guessing that when basings were discussed, you probably chose to live in AKL. Please don't expect me to sympathise with you when you are currently earning 3x the salary I was on, and don't expect me to accept your unfounded ill-informed assertions re the comparable costs of living when it's patently obvious you have no personal experience of what you are talking about and no data to support your assertions.

Sorry, some of those comments were immature as are a few other of my earlier posts. It is purely because of my passion for this industry and my attitute towards management and their short sightedness.

Mate I'm sorry if I've hit a raw nerve as to how much you are having to pay to live in Syd, but to be brutually honest I'm more concerned as to how much people will be paid in NZ flying an A320 for Jet* living in AA.

Yes I did get it wrong in earlier posts with the cost of living, I was just comparing it to when I was living in Melbourne in the suburbs. It did seem cheaper dollar for dollar, But I was proved wrong with the findings of another member.

Now can we have a beer and get back to being pis'd off at Jet* and not at one another. choice

Geez fella, I had a wife like you once. A loong time ago!

1st this:

then:

and 2 minutes later:

No I don't reckon we can have a beer. I don't have the time to waste on fools. You can have a one-way no-return trip to my ignore list though! :} Have a lot of fun playing with yourself...

Hardly surprising you no longer have the wife really...

Now I have a lovely wife I can share intelligent conversations with. It's great, you should try it sometime. Now go take some prozac, let the heart slow down a little and squeeze some pimples young man. I'm gonna go talk to the cat, have a cup of tee and a lie down. I'm exhausted after all that.

For F**k sake!
Go argue it out somewhere else....
Has anyone got any more news on the new T$Cs??

Here is what ive worked out......

$65k before tax is $5416 per month

flying 85 hours a month will earn you an extra $1200 per month before tax

Total of $6616 per month before tax.

After tax this will leave you with $4357.75 per month. (IRD website M SL tax code) $4860.30 without a S/L

The type rating will cost $35,000AUD which is $43,189 NZD salary sacrifice over three years is $1,199 per month deductions from your monthly pay cheque.

There will probably be tax-free allowances that may make this more attractive - anyone know??

This leaves us with $3,158 - $3,661 per month ($790 - $915 per week depending on you S/L status)

Cost of living
 

Radio Saigon/ Freut Mich

Having lived in both countries in the last few years I can say that I found the cost of living fairly similar- between the big cities. The notable differences I found were:

- Fuel to be more expensive in NZ even when you take into account price gouging but the cheap Japanese imports seemed to give the second hand car market cheaper in NZ.

- Rent in Auckers/ Sydney similar leaning towards Sydney as the more expensive option (especially coastal Sydney).

Where NZ had Oz was in the regional areas. Bar places like Tauranga, it definitely was cheapaer to rent or buy even with higher interest rates in NZ.

Must disagree on food though. Pack n Save does not rate highly on my delicatessen list. Not big on red meat so can't comment but find it easier to get good seafood in Oz. Plus Oz does better fish and chips!

As for the current Jet* offer, well good luck all....

Cheerio :}

As soon as someone has confirmation of the new package can you please post it here. Would be very interesting to know. Also if there is an increase in OFF days over the 8 that are currently on offer.
I have heard all the rumours but no details. Nice to see that we may have actually 'hit the bottom' in terms of T's and C's. Don't recall seeing an aviation company having to up the conds, to attract crew, ever, actually.
SF

any one know what J* are doing with Engineering in NZ

The initial plan was to set up a AKL engineering base, but I heard that they had no takers for the LAME positions, as they were offering $30-33k less than Virgin Tech NZ to work the same shift. ($89k compared to $122k)

Rumours now are that Air NZ will handle them, a la Jetconnect.

caught up with a J*checker mate the otherday, and I can tell you the new deal is as blacksmoke said earlier. Base 130k, 20k bonus for every yr completed, plus 10k sign on bonus.Everything else same as original contract.ie, 5 weeks leave etc....
I believe jitconnect has a similar deal, 125k base, with a 15k end of yr bonus, and pacblue very similar.
So with the exception of air nz ( who pay much better I have been told), this makes j* not a bad deal if you want to live in enzed and be home everynight etc...
Not that I am saying this is good or bad, but certainly stops alot of the rot we have all been reading about them.
Flying is a mix of domestic and tasman stuff, with the alot of growth to come over the next few yrs??!!

Are these the new T&Cs for pilots from outside Jq, or has the increase been for current Jq pilots that will be working there for a short period (cover initial shortfall) then moving back?

tiger-palm, your full of cake chief you don't pay for your own medials/uniform/parking/jepps etc

Medicals and Jepps are at pilots expense

Can someone please post the FO T&C

kiwi engineer, there will be no low cost in getting Air Nz doing the work...

A Shame that there own engineering has demised.

SuperDooperEngineer
 

I agree with you 100%.

However NZ is not like Aus, there is no other ground handling companies to handle third party work. Emirates Engineering and Virgin Tech NZ are the only other outfits in AKL.
Jetstar may have no choice.

Have since heard that John Holland may get involved in the interim, not sure of the details though.

When Pac Blue started up, they were handled by Air NZ untill they could get Virgin Tech NZ up and running. Maybe something like that will happen, who knows.