RNP
 

Wonder how Jetstar will cope over the winter months at ZQN with no RNP???
The new service could be NO service when the days have clouds in the sky.
Its bad enough now:confused:

How do you suppose that Pac Blue will be destroyed?

It's a New Zealand company.


PB has a very low operating cost to start with and has obtained a specific part of the NZ domestic market. Air NZ has its share, as does JC and I suspect that Jetstar will obtain some of JC's domestic pax.

Will be interested to see how this plays out Trans Tassie as both JC and Jetstar compete against each other and 200 other airlines!!

Quote: "So if it was a reasonable deal, I cant imagine to many of them jumping to pornstar nz!!!! ?????"

I doubt you will see many ex-Freedom pilots at J*NZ. Maybe a couple of ex-Captains for whom the 4 stripes is more important than money and conditions, or a couple of F/Os who see it as a step into a quick command.
Personally, if you are more than 100 or so off the bottom of the list at Air NZ, you would want your head read to be bailing out. Long term is where it's at and who knows where J*NZ will be in 10 years time?
Of course, LWOP from Air NZ is NOT available for you to go to J*, Pac Blue or J*NZ, so it is a big call.
Whatever, it's all gamble....you roll the dice and you makes your choice!

"You've used that bait to stir things up too many times - you won't get any bites"

It aint stirring mate.

VFR down the gorge ill do it!

Pfffft... if that ain't stirring the pot, I don't know what is.

Air NZ had $4 flights on Grabaseat today, J* had $3 flights I think.

Air NZ has a history of destroying the domestic competition. Origin Pacific for example. I think Pacific Blue can make it though.

call has gone out to some AU J* Capts to fly for NZ J* temporarily.

I dont think its stirring either, mate.

Unless the JQ 787's have got the range for east coast Aussie to the USA, theres every chance NZ operation will be crewing it.

In fact, whether they have the range or not, theres every chance the NZ operation will be crewing it.

Just for info JQ has nearly finished the RNP process. This Queenstown flying will speed things along nicely. Full RNP from the start for sure.

Five reasons why that could never happen;
1/ The 787 is a complex a/c and the JC guys haven't the skill/experience to operate them
2/ The 787 is not suited to the Tasman which is where JC operate
3/ The JC crew would want the exact same conditions as the mainline crew anyway.
4/It would be silly for QF to be the first to introduce the 787 onto the Tasman in case the customers are wary of it. Pax don't like new types.
5/ It must be illegal somehow for a company to purchase new aircraft and then just utilize them as they see fit.....surely.

I could go on but I think I've made my point.

I don't think so. Jetstar NZ will have to modify their aircraft for full RNP operations not just the "RNP lite" approval they have from CASA. At this stage Air NZ is the only RNP AR approved A320 operator in the world. So they will have to go through the NZCAA certification like everyone else.

...Wha..??!!:confused:

..I think you better keep going!

Sarcasm, mattyj mate.
Don't see how 787s could end up at JQ NZ or JC - Domestic and Tasman ops are not what the 787 is made for. It's too big and its performance qualities would be better elsewhere.

What the!
 

Framer; "The 787 is a complex a/c and the JC guys haven't the skill/experience to operate them" :rolleyes:

or even better "passengers don't like new types". (Ummm nup - the reverse is true and plenty of market research to prove it, the richer airlines even advertise it!):yuk:

Mate are you serious? :} I wonder, do you have any EFIS jet experience?
If you can drive one of JC's B733's I'll bet you can drive a 787. IMHO (having flown 733's years ago and now PiC on a newer / bigger EFIS jets) the later the jet, the easier it gets, and having read allot of blurb and seen the cockpit of the 787 its looks STD post 777 Boeing to me.

Hope for your sake that was just a wind up, or are you really that ignorant? :bored:

Bruce Buchanan has been quoted saying they are looking at having a 787 hub in NZ to serve the U.S, and maybe Asia as the A/C doesn't have the range to go Aus-US.

kiwi engineer do u know what they paying there nz engineers??

Not 100% sure, but I heard the CHC Jetstar LAME's were on 80-85k, and someone mentioned AKL would be closer to 90k. (all NZD)

Well short of Virgin Tech NZ mech LAME's (122k), and avio's (135k)

local paper here was crowing that J* has RNP and will not have the problems Qantas has.

will be highly amusing to see the local rag eat there words when J*s get diverted every second day if they can fly the RNP :O

I think AnQrKa has hit the nail on the head and the likes of framer and Q300 are thinking like pilots not Management.
In this world of Globalization and the ever relenting quest by big business for productivity improvement anyting is possible.
I'd suggest a few people here google the Trans Tasman Mutual recognition Act in conjunction with the NZ Employment Relations Act 2000.
First up as a result of the TTMRA aircraft "based" in New Zealand are accepted as being Australian.
Secondly the NZ Employment Relations Act 2000 has many similarities with the Australian Workplace relations Act 1996, if you thought WorkChoices was bad wait until your forced to work in NZ under their Employment Relations Act, plus there is now a National government in power in NZ, so I wouldn't be surprised to see further empowerment to the relavent Employment Act.
Now that the Libs in Australia have been turfed out and their and big business' WorkChoices has been pole axed isn't it obvious that management will deploy assets where it's easiest to push for improvement in unit costs. I expect AnQrKa is correct in that you will see the 787 deployed out of NZ. I also expect you will see a ramping up of JetConnect services at Qantas Shorthaul's expense. That will just be the start.
Ladies and Gentlement this is the end game portion of the Dixon plan, hold on for a bumpy ride!
The future is bright ,the future is orange with fern leaves!:{

RNP
 

Have a look at ZQN mountain Scene paper on ZQN airport Thur 19th Feb
www.mountainscene.co.nz.

"Cloud in the sky Skippy dont fly"

"Star in the sky where will we fly"

Interesting times
 

Transtasman 'domestic' routes could cut fares 30pc - report

9:05AM Sunday Feb 22, 2009

SYDNEY - Transtasman flights are set to be reclassified as domestic routes, removing stringent immigration procedures and cutting fares by up to 30 per cent, according to an Australian website.
Quarantine, security and immigration issues have to be addressed to make the route a common border.
An Open Skies bilateral agreement is already in place, relaxing the rules for carriers flying between the two countries.
After two years of discussions, Australian and New Zealand customs are planning trials to clear passengers before they board flights between the countries.
Three Australian automated border processing "smartgate" kiosks were installed at Auckland International Airport last September to speed up entry into Australia.
Air New Zealand, Qantas, Jetstar and Pacific Blue believe the move could result in fares being cut by up to 30 per cent, the website said.

The trials will look at creating a clearance system similar to those used for passengers travelling from Canada into the United States and in Europe across European Union countries.
Once they are cleared at their point of origin passengers enter any port as a domestic visitor.

I was saying that the 787 did not make sense on trans Tasman routes. I did not even stop to consider that it might not be for Trans Tasman ops. Kiwi engineer later pointed this out. Interesting stuff.

JC pilots couldn't fly 787
 

20 years ago a pilot of a Saab 340, new to NZ skys, said the same thing to me about his bucket of bolts.

I would love to see the evidence that the 787 will not get East coast Aus-west coast USA. The 747 400er and 777er do it and this aircraft is meant to be ultra long haul..........i.e it should p*ss in. There will be a lot of cancelled orders if this is the case. personally I reckon the rumour is just that.:rolleyes:

So whats happening?
Does anyone know of boys/girls with Jetstar interviews coming up?

I heard the pay is not too flash compared to Australian conditions.

$70,000 NZ - 15,000 rating payback = $55,000 NZ for a Co-pilot

Dont think there is the same Australian superanuation scheme and very few allowances.

Captains and F/A's same modest pay, something to watch with the Tasman becoming a domestic sector? Jetstar NZ planes flying to AUZ and doing 3-4 days of domestic sectors and then comming home?

I am thinking this will be the result too and Pac Blue might follow suit.

Not after Air NZ buys Virgin.......................

Air NZ buying Virgin ?

I think there are still some bad memories over the last time NZ ventured into the purchasing of a major Australian carrier.

This time around, I don't think there's enough cash within the Air NZ coffers for an outright purchase. Can't see this current NZ government bailing them out again.

Terronnd its a nice idea mate:ok:
Air NZ would have a LCC again to compete with Jetstar.

I think Dale is right though. Its too risky, and all a bit close to home.

Doubtful AirNz will buy Virgin.... Can't even run the bleeding thing

Seems that at least one union is making a public stance on this...

Where is ALPA ( AKA air nz boys club) during this then?

Probably not the best of ideas. I think enough blood has been spilt and lessons learnt for one lifetime.

JQ/DJ/NZ. Interesting times ahead for the NZ market. Given the cost base of the LCC's, I wish NZ well. :hmm:

Hey Horserun...you an ALPA member?
You a Union rep?
If not why not?
The Union is you (if you're a member)
If you're not happy with what's going on, pull finger and do something about it!
It's much less of an Air NZ club than it ued to be...just ask the Mt Cook and Air Nelson and Jetconnect guys (all of whose own ALPA pilots did most of the work but with valuable assistance from the ALPA organization)
You guys who grizzle about ALPA being an "Air NZ Union" piss me off. Only about half the members are employed by Air NZ mainline.

Im in ALPA, and have been for 10 years now.

Go to any ALPA meeting and compare how much time is spent talking about Air NZ, compared to everyone else!!!

Would be nice if ALPA made a similar statement to reinforce what the EPMU said.

While it may seem nicely idealistic to have ALPA or whomever say the rates are abysmal, it will be water off a ducks back to Jetstar if they have people lining up for jobs. I also think it is pretty easy to sit back and criticise someone for taking one of those jobs when you are safely employed in a higher paid one. I suspect the best course of action may end up being similar to the one the Jetconnect guys fought. By this I mean fight from the inside when you have a tad more bargaining power than as a prospective employee.

BMDA....exactly what I said at the beginning of the Jetstar NZ pay thread. There are plenty of precidents.....it's not the ideal way for it to happen but these are not ideal times.

Not an easy war to fight but if you read the latest ALPA presidents message (should be in your inbox today), at least ALPA and the two Aussie unions are not sitting on their hands.
The only way to enhance job opportunities and T&C's for EVERYBODY, is to work TOGETHER rather than bitch at each other.