Yes the NZD is low but I was paid 80,000 NZD this month. The figure included annual gratuity. I am an Airbus pilot.

I have never paid for an endorsement. I have always worked for well paid carriers. I deserve the coin frankly.

Because I have always worked for well paying carriers and not wasted money paying for endorsements I am wealthy. It is a nice place to be when amongst a generation of pilots who seem to do everything possible to compromise themselves financially.

FTFM....Who do you work for??

Just so you can appreciate the cost of living in Auckland-for any oz based operaters.
Kiwis add GST to food ,oz dont (12.5 %)and its x'ey already
Rent for anywhere inside of the gangsta ring is roughly the same as Sydney minus the beaches.
Mobile telephone costs are at least twice as high(insane)
power and gas are about twice as high
Fuel is at least 15% higher

pretty well every time you walk out the door -you will spend.
On the plus. everyone partys hard, the gals are great fun,the people are lovely and the fishing awesome. Don't expect to save and please find a way to enjoy wet windy weather.
Kiwi pilots are great, nice people (i understand why they have such great sailors now) and are used to flying in continuously wet, windy conditions with lots of fog,shear and terrain on pretty short sectors ( I still can't understand why they are paid less)
theres no airforce now either- sooner or later the cost of training willll have to improve the conditions. the average wage could not sustain a pilot training.

Find myself having to disagree with some of Neewmans post.

Yes, rent and property prices in AKL are crazy. However, it does have beaches. Infact, on both sides.

Fuel price difference is simply a fuction of how the govt taxes it and the relative strength of the currency, compared to the AU$. Tried buying diesel there mate? Its a lot cheaper. Again, the tax thing.

Disagree about utility prices. Cellphones cost more to run but not double.

Simply false. What you may have meant to say is there is no strike wing. The airforce still trains pilots, albeit not many in the scheme of things. I hope youre right about the pay/conditions tho'!

Not truer words spoken on PPRuNE.

George Soros made BILLIONS by tapping into the same psychology that those suffering SJS exhibit- Reflexivity.
Source Wikipedia

In a nutshell, as applied to the pilot market, reflexivity implies that wage declines cause both managers & pilots to expect further declines in the future. ie pilots are talking themselves into lower wages, all the managers have to do is stand by and agree (and pocket the difference as a bonus).

Agreeing to lower wages will lower your wages in the future.
Remember, this is not some abstract theoretical concept, this guy broke the Bank of England.

Well your obviously the man!

Go on tell us where you work. Help a brother out!!

I live in the generation of trash (sometimes its not all bad), and am trying to make my way through the bottle neck.

Come on you lot stop bickering and apply for the jobs. Queenstown will make you feel Alive. On a good day, but mostly make you glad to still be alive. Then there's Wellington waiting to bite, Will miss the snack bags but not the $200.00 fine from Maf when you forget it's still in your nav bag. :eek:

Ha ha ha ha ha ha.....So true!!!!

Your right though, If they just paid more though!!!!

I was sitting next to a business traveller on Qantas the other night from AA to WN. Asked him what he thought and how it would affect him. He said he didn't give a toss. Currently travels on Qantas, ANZ and Pac Blue. As long as the schedule suited him and he got there on time. Not good if he has to cancel dozens of oppointments he spent most of the week organising just because his carrier of choice can't maintain an acceptable OTP. His other comment was that provided Qantas leave their lounges here with Jetstar he would travel on them. Air NewZealand already a low cost carirer domestically. I don't think there will be as many swing to ANZ as Rob Fyffe might be led to believe.

Have you seen the amount of travellers in suits travelling with Pac Blue lately? Heaps. One reason. They're always on time. New aeroplanes I guess? I'm thinking Jetstar will pee all over the current Jetconnect OTP with their shinny new jets flown by Jimmy.

Always easy to fly on time with only three aircraft (unless one breaks down), no interline connections, no freight, little hold stowed baggage and almost no disabled pax. However if you miss the flight tough t*tty we owe you nothing!

Pilots being pilots always think full aircraft = making money. They never think yield!:ooh:

The suits might all be paying for it personally going to job interviews :D:D:D

jetstar interviews
 

Any info on the interviews are they still going on or have they finished.Anyone offered a job if so whats the offer like.How many are they taking in all. Capts, FOs.when will the operations start.

Mate, have you got the right to work in NZ?
If not, it doesn't matter......

right to work in NZL
 

I thought the company would take care of that????
any info on the intake ???

OxidantMate, have you got the right to work in NZ?
If not, it doesn't matter......


I think you'll find if J* can't get the required experience from within AUS and NZ then our American mate may well have access to a visa downunder. Look at PB with a German and an American already flying for them, both of those guys are on work visa's, time will tell I guess?

Come on the Kiwi's let anybody in!:E

This is straight from their website.
Otherwise e-mail them before you make plans.....
"[email protected]"


What are the minimum requirements to join Jetstar Airways?

The minimum requirements for selection as a pilot in Jetstar Airways are;

* Hold or be eligible to hold an Australian ATPL or New Zealand equivalent,
* Have passes in all Australian ATPL subjects or New Zealand equivalent,
* Hold, or be eligible to hold, an Australian Class 1 Multi-Engine Command Instrument Rating or New Zealand equivalent,
* Current Class 1 Medical Certificate,
* Hold, or be eligible to hold, relevant New Zealand Permanent Residency status or an Unrestricted Right to Work in New Zealand,
* Hold ICAO Level 6 English Language Proficiency
* Possess strong and effective team working competencies,
* Be committed to service excellence.

Nice one Howard, but, not anymore!
Snake, well look at the 457 issue with J*, how many were handed out?

theres sum add on he air nz website,* about changing your qantas club membership to koru club,* looks like air nz* are making the most hey can out of it

how many guys are going to apply
 

I knew a few guys with 1000+ hrs on airbus who are looking at working in jetstar new club ,but with the news coming up of cost of living it looking very difficult to take the job.I note on the last 8 pages of posts there is a large group of pilots who are very unhappy at anyone who takes the job ,but if you dont have a job and are airbus experienced its hard to say no.I just cant understand why JETSTAR WOULD OFFER SUCH LOW CONDITIONS.
A.N.Z are paying 107K,the others are paying less but the salary for jetstar was just too funny to even mention:confused:

Air NZ paying $107K....for what and in which currency...?

So lets put this into perpective,

Australia across the board has cheaper food, rent, clothing, fuel, transport and most probably by in large cheaper to live in every aspect in life compared to NewZealand.

Now lets do some comparisons to Jetstar Australia salary to that of its kuwu comparison at todays exchange rate of 1.25.

Jet* Aus A320 salaries as listed on their website

Jetstar Australia Capt: $145,195.00AUD $181,493.75NZD
Jetstar NZ Capt: $104,000.00AUD $130,000.00NZD

Jetstar Australia FO: $79,857.00AUD $99,821.25NZD Level 1
Jetstar NZ FO: $63,885.60AUD $70,000.00NZD

How much for a A320 rating? $45,000NZD?

Great return on investment!!!

And correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure that a Qantas or AirNZ long haul flight attendant will earn more than a Kuwu(mexican) A320 first officer.

Now add the retention payments, company bonus payments, 11 days off a roster for the Jet* Aus pilots and 5/8's of bugger all for the kuwu's. Hmmm

Arrreeeeebah!!

Jetstar you really are taking the puss!! :ugh:

I'd love to hear an explaination from Jetstar as to why the kuwu's should earn 30% less?

It's worse than that Freut, the exchange rate nowadays puts the currencies about 24% apart.

Not sure why you guys keep bringing up the currency conversion rates?

Only relavant if you want to spend that currency outside the country you earned it.

You dont hear the Poms converting Australian salaries to Pounds Sterling and then laughing out loud, do you?

In my experience you spend a dollar in NZ like you would spend a dollar in Aussie. Sure, there are differences but the buying power between each of them in their own countries is not 24% different.

Of far more relevance is income tax paid on those amounts. At those sorts of salaries the Kiwi will have less dollars in his hand after tax. The income tax calculators on the ATO and NZ IRD websites will give you some idea.

W9,

The relevance of AUD vs NZD: J* NZ will be using VH registered acft initially, therefore Aust AoC, therefore Aust licensed pilots.
All this Aust, Aust, Aust so why not Aust terms and conditions.... but wait, when the NZ operations start flying within Aust.. There it is again: AUST.

That is why the comparison

UDH,

I agree wholeheartedly.

But if Fruet is going to point out the differences in the value of the currencies its gotta be pointed out that we're not being asked to live in Australia on NZ money.

Yet.:sad:

I pray we never get to that.

Until Jetstar NZ open their Sydney, Melbourne, Cairns and Perth bases.

so looks like Jetstar Aus A320 drivers get roughly the same as Air NZ A320 drivers...in NZ dollars. Air NZ pilots probably have more to gain in alowances and conditions (like they don't have to buy their own manuals?)
Means Jetstar NZ are offering roughly 25% below market rates....nice one team!!
Agree with Waren9....an NZ$ in NZ is worth pretty much the same as an AUD in Aus. All this stuff about food and rent etc being so much more expensive in NZ is nonsense, especially if you compare apples with apples.

If your going to be fair how about factoring in you can go hunting, fishing (fresh or saltwater) skiing tramping you name it all within a few hours of where you choose to live. Until you try it its pretty hard to calculate that!!

Tramping?

We have our own tramps here in Oz.

One and only question at Jet* NZ interview.
Do you have an Oz ATPL?
Excellent, next......

Another question could be;
'Do you have A330 experience?'
Thanks for that.....

J*NZL
 

interview any info?
how many wanabees any offers made so far?
when is the planned start date ?
all info would be great

ok. So if I get this right. Jetstar operating vh reg aircraft in NZ, means bad things for both sides of the ditch. It does sound like they may not have had the response they expected... Hold out brothers.

I quite agree , although Jet * have operated VH reg'd A320's ex CHC for a while now, albeit on Aus T& C's.

W9, I don't think you fully understand my earlier post?

So what you're affectively saying is that you would be happy to live in Syd earning $65k flying an A320? Pay for your medical yourself, pay for your AvSec card yourself and get paid DTA's only when on overnights?

It's not about exchange rate. It's about being paid a salary that is kept in line with the current market rates for a pilot flying an equivalent machine.

Forget exchange rates, get that right out of your head. Think salary minus living expenses equals expendable income.

For instance, you're paid a salary of $65000NZD, you pay $1.58 per litre for fuel, $500 per week for a very average house, on average about 20% more in food prices plus GST, and across the board is more expensive for everything at listed prices. So more expensive to live NZ than in Australia.

If you are paid $65k and live in Australia, you will have a lot more expendable income at the end of the week once you have paid for all your living expenses.

If you are paid $65k and live in NZ, you have less left over. Get it? This is the point. Market rates for an equivalent pilot and a little bit less of a puss take from Jet* Hope this is a little clearer than my earlier thread.

Again, I'd like to hear why Jetstar thinks Kiwis should be paid $65k NZD and Aussies should be paid $79k AUD. Got it?

Insult case and point!

I've recently lived in both countries and found it hard to believe that NZ was more expensive. A quick google offered these results of the Mercer 2008 Cost of Living survey.

Forgive me, but thats pretty much all your last post discussed.

Not disagreeing with the thrust of what you are trying to get across but remember when guys bandy about the phrase it is by definition where supply does infact meet demand. "Market rates" is not equal to the highest paid or even necessarily what you and I would like to be paid.

If Jetstar does find enough pilots at the pay it offers, by definition they must be close to "market rates". Supply will have satisfied demand.

I agree, its sh1t but ultimately, if you as an individual doesnt like it, dont work there. Im not living in SYD on A$65k and I dont know anyone who would.

Regarding the costs of living comparisons between NZ and Aussie, and SYD in particular, I'm with Framer. You and I will just have to agree to disagree.

Cheers
W9

Well, as I previously mentioned, people keen to join should have held out. Its official. JQ are offering better conditions to internal guys in Aus to go across due to lack of interest. So I wonder if the guys who have already jumped the gun and signed on for the first offer, will be on the original $$$$? :}

I have no idea where you are getting your figures from FM -of for that matter, which planet you are on, but let me tell you for a fact the cost of living in AUS is far in excess of anything you may be paying in NZ. I've been here (AUS) now for 8 years and I reckon conservatively I pay a 30-40% premium for living & working in the West Island. The "cheap food" you tout is consistently of a poorer standard, less variety and vastly more expensive, particularly meat. The food standard in your average NZ supermarket is beyond what you might be able to find in a delicatessen here. Rents? I've been obliged in the past to pay AUD$180 per week for a dorm bed shared with 8 others in a backpackers -it was all I could find or afford. Cheaper how? Clothing? I pay in AUD roughly the same as I would pay in NZ for a comparable item. Not cheaper at all. Fuel? The oil companies here regularly jack the price of a litre of fuel on holiday weekends, school holidays etc., just to gouge as much as they can out of the motorist. I've never seen that happen in NZ. Further, in NZ wherever I pull in to buy fuel I know within a few cents per litre what I'll be paying. Not here! There can be as much as 30-40c per litre difference between the SYD price and what I pay locally 2 hours up the road!!! Go into the country, you'll be guessing what dollar you are going to be paying.

That's just a few of the things I noticed on a trip home just a few weeks ago.

Please FM, try to establish some facts before you post drivel like that again. Your prejudices are showing.