Fartsock,

As far as 'the lawnmower man' goes I agree wholeheartedly.

He was well known in Ansett for similar tactics.

What are the union giong to do?

Should he be promoted to F/O then it will be on the basis of Qualifications and Experience, not seniority. This could be a dangerous precedent and one which AIPA should not let past the keeper.

I would strongly suggest his appointment to F/O (not MGT) be challenged.

But what if he won in a seniority vs Qualifications and Experience battle???????

It's amazing. I'm just sadly waiting for the day that two 12 year old kids beat the living daylights out of each other in the playground at school because Dad #1 was on one side in '89 and Dad #2 was on the other. Despite the obvious fact that neither of them would have been conceived at the time, with the vitriolic and extreme hostility still around in some players, it can't fail to 'rub off'.

Boocs, feel free to tell us when you next do a textbook passenger evacuation of 350 jet lagged people from a Jumbo down escape slides in the wee hours of the morning. Refer to the other thread if you want to read more opinion on this.

Back to the topic, I've got several mates ex-AN now Qantas. None of them were even in the airline industry until years after the dispute, and they probably wouldn't even be able to tell you what year it was, as they were off doing other things. Please don't tar all of them with the same brush.

If you folks want to honostly believe some ex AN guys at QF are attempting to negotiate directly with the company to undercut sallaries then you are shmucks. Urban myth is alive and well at QF.

Likewise the stories regarding "lawnmowerman". Pure childish BS.

Well Fartsock, I think you will be disappointed to hear that a court precedent exists and that I'm sure the lawnmowerman would be fully aware of it. An AN pilot was promoted way out of order for a management position about 5 years ago. The court upheld the companies argument that he was needed for the position and had to have the type and staus to go with it. Complete rubbish I know but the AIPA have already lost the case on this one. As a matter of my personal opinion the person in question is NOT the best man for the job but how would a judge know that?
As for the AN s/o mafia I think it unlikely that 120 pilots will outvote the other 2000+ on such an issue.

Thanks for the literary lesson GB, I'll have to amend my Oxford..

re. TFO, who ever wants it can have it, as far as im concerned

less pay (or no opp. to make up hrs, when the av. is down), MUCH more work, sit in the Box with a couple of guys who really dont want to be there, and having to 'train' Cpt. coming off other A/C, (read 60+) who no doubt are a grateful recipients of the TFO input.
It's not rocket science, although the way QF reinvent the wheel every 2 weeks does complicate issues..
If the AN guys want it go for it!!
The only upside i see is an almost guaranteed inroad into the Tng dep. as a Capt, and good prep. for CMD training..
anyhow back to the Porn site

Point of clarification.

Some of you seem to be under the impression the dispute was over 14 yrs ago.

My understanding is the writs were never withdrawn by TN/QF or AN, they have a fifteen yr time limit, therefore as far as the operators are concerned they are still at war.

DUTCH ROLL-
G'DAY, UNFORTUNATELY YOUR COMMENT RE KIDS FIGHTING IS ALL TOO VALID. HAD A CAPTAIN RETURN FROM THE TERMINAL IN MAROOCHY A FEW YEARS BACK, SOME CLOWN HAD SAID TO HIM, "MY KIDS HATE YOU!". NO PRIZES FOR GUESSING WHY! SURE SEEMS LIKE A SMART WAY TO RAISE YOUR KIDS. OF COURSE HE PICKED HIS SLIGHTLY BUILT TARGET CAREFULLY AS DO MOST OF THE "heroes" I'VE MET OR HEARD ABOUT. DIDN'T TRY TO HIT HIM WITH AN EGG THROWN BRAVELY FROM BEHIND A PARKED CAR THO!

OICUR12-
THERE'S NO HARM IN BEING A TFO/TSO, THO NOT FOR ME.
HOWEVER IT IS HARD TO BELIEVE THAT YOU CAN DEFEND A KNOWN POLE CLIMBER/LAWN MOWER. AND TO THINK THAT SOME GUYS WON'T MAKE DEALS FOR THEMSELVES IS VERY NAIVE.
HOPE YOUR NOT LINING UP BEHIND.

WALLY.M-
BEST YOU BUY ANOTHER BASKET FOR THE, I PRESUME, MAJORITY OF WE EX AN S/O MAFIA EGGS AS WE ARE VERY HAPPY WITH OUR JOBS, BUT LIKE YOURSELF ARE MOST CONCERNED THAT THE "PSYCH TEST" SEEMS TO EITHER HAVE FAILED OR BEEN DISREGARDED SO THAT SOMEONE RETURNING COULD BRING HIS MATES ALONG. "QUALIFICATIONS & EXPERIENCE" IS NOTHING WITHOUT PERFORMANCE.

ENOUGH DRIBBLE, NEVER READS LIKE I MEAN IT TO.
BETTER CRACK ANOTHER BOTTLE OF THAT FINE DUTY FREE BUSHMILLS.

G'DAY, DUMPSY!!!! :ok:

That's excellent news jafa.

It means that after next year, we can expect never to have another thread or comment on '89 posted on PPRUNE ever again.

DutchRoll,
That's the spirit!
Let's all use the fine example of the Japanese politicians.
We'll erase it from the history books, erase it from the memory banks - and just pretend it never happened!

Dunno about that, dutch roll, but I imagine it does mean that the historians among us who seem to like to say "It's been over since -----" will have an actual date. August 2004.

Unless of course Messrs ANTNQF take up their option in the meantime.

(I hope I have my facts right - relying on memory and third parties as usual - confirm or deny, anyone?)

Staute of limitations, anyone..

Wishful thinking guys!...

we ain't ever gonna let you lot of the hook!...

learn to live with it for the rest of your days!...

poor sods!!

:p

It's OK Stable, I didn't ask for it to be erased from the history books. I have no objection to the airline pilot body remembering it. I mean, it was probably the most severe shafting of the airline pilot body in history (but the lads did make some crucial mistakes). My objection is merely to the extreme vitriol & mouthing-off from both sides which inevitably accompanies any '89 discussion. Kinda reminds me of the WW1 trench mentality........

The Lieutenant orders 'fix bayonets', and blows his whistle knowing full well his men will be mown down by machine gun fire. The survivors retreat back into the trenches, regroup, & he blows his whistle again & off they go. And so it goes on until there are no survivors. The same thing is then repeated by the other side, etc, etc.:ugh:

I think you need to relearn your history Roll! :rolleyes:

but you'll learn, perhaps one day, laddie!

Well, I'm sure you'll educate me, amos2.

Where is Dr Phil when you need him?:confused:

Amos,

Ahhmmm.......I dont think the returnees are actually on "the hook".

Just because thier actions dont align with your narrow, outdated view of the world doesnt actually mean a hell of a lot.

Get over mate. Take some ritlin.

Let us never forget the Yellow Peril, and don't forget about the Jew taking over the world, or was it the Muslim, maybe it was both, yes it WAS both, and them coloureds from the south dag nab it. We sorted them out thats for sure. And them Commies, thank the good lord we sorted them. Now the evil ex Ansett pilots. And they ARE evil, Just look at the shape of there foreheads, definitely evil, I have seen the measurements of their skulls and they fit that evil profile. And guess what. Check under your beds folks, they are all there. WAITING.:confused: :bored: :ooh:

Thats ok Rockarpee,well said.

We're not racist,we just hate blacks,wogz,slopes,poor people,the indegent,homosexuals and Bob Hawke!!
Did I forget to mention Winstun or anyone else??

1989
 

Basil Fawlty says: "Still.....Forgive and forget, eh Major?"

Let it go. Have a beer.


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