Originally Posted by I Need Of A Change (Post 11568822)

Can I ask for those pushing the no vote, why they think their elected reps are for the first time at the AFAP recommending a yes vote?

Originally Posted by gordonfvckingramsay (Post 11568857)

You’d have to ask them why they’re endorsing an EA with such little to be gained during a time where we hold all the cards.

Originally Posted by I Need Of A Change (Post 11568858)

Sounds like a question you should be asking them.

Originally Posted by gordonfvckingramsay (Post 11568862)

Why? If they have a rationale or info pertinent to a yes vote, they should be disseminating it to the pilots.

Pilots are not (usually) dumb enough to vote based on a baseless recommendation. It’s pretty clear that most people on here have read the draft and think it needs work.

Originally Posted by I Need Of A Change (Post 11568644)

To some of your points can I ask why then that over the past couple of years there have been several flights cancelled that may well have large financial penalties and flying turned down due to crew numbers? If it was so easy to roster overtime and cover all that they would of I agree, but this situation has occurred over and over and yet only a small percentage of crew are in productivity (some by choice who are after the hours for whatever reason).

The crap rate for overtime is a continuation of the current deal with the change that the rate increases after 75 hours which is a deterrent from the current deal. Additionally the rate kicks in at a lower threshold which is of zero advantage to the company.

Originally Posted by Swept-Wing (Post 11568939)

How you have been treated in the past is ZERO indication of how you can / will be treated in the future.

Originally Posted by soseg (Post 11569296)

:ugh:

That is what swept wing is saying. Expect it to get worse.

You seriously aren’t bright, I Need Of A Change. How do you hold a command?

Originally Posted by soseg (Post 11569296)

:ugh:

That is what swept wing is saying. Expect it to get worse.

You seriously aren’t bright, I Need Of A Change. How do you hold a command?

Originally Posted by ShandywithSugar (Post 11569323)

I Need Of A Change no doubt putting in for some 'overtime' after all the work they've done here after-all corporate aren't due back until Monday the 8th.

Your roster will be built with low density high duty until you hit the hours then you'll be rostered for high density low duty ( all from the fortune cookies , like adl , bali , hobart , nadi , hong kong , Antarctic scenics , Rottnest island (oh wait they do that often when air return) because it'll be at half your rate.

Saturday night , go to your local dominos and ask them if they'd work overtime for a reduced rate , looking into the deal as a whole of course.

Originally Posted by I Need Of A Change (Post 11568090)

Care to provide a worked example for a A320 captain at NWK vs JQ at the various year levels to support your position? Should be simple enough.

Originally Posted by maverick4442 (Post 11569409)

I honestly feel sorry for the poor First Officers that have to fly with you and listen to your rubbish, problem is you can vote YES to a rubbish agreement and when your work colleagues vote it down and get a good agreement you reap the rewards.

If only those like yourself that have no worth could be put on individual contracts, being paid a reduced rate for overtime and others that fight for a good agreement get what is deserved!, when a great agreement gets voted up.
Hats off to the network pilots that are fighting for what they are worth!

Originally Posted by I Need Of A Change (Post 11569416)

So you think if this ones goes down it’ll be back to the table and anyone will have a chance to vote again?

Thanks for the concern but I don’t chat about the EA on the clock.

Originally Posted by Slippery_Pete (Post 11569308)

Soseg, why bother arguing with an idiot? Obviously, need a change is a management pilot, or isn’t really a NAA pilot but has vested interest in this getting over the line. Could even be head of Qantas HR or someone else with their KPIs tied to getting this rubbish deal over the line.

It’s not worth arguing with people like this.

The only way to send these people a message is for NAA pilots to vote no to prostituting themselves by accepting half pay overtime.

I can’t imagine finding any contract, anywhere else in the world, where overtime pay is LESS than normal pay.

It defies logic that 46% voted yes.

Originally Posted by dejapoo (Post 11569439)

If only you followed the same advice for pprune. God it's incessant. Rot.

Originally Posted by soseg (Post 11569488)

My post got deleted. Weird. Someone here doesn’t like me calling that moron a moron.

Originally Posted by I Need Of A Change (Post 11569556)

It‘s a public forum. If you want a private forum where all those think the same as yourself and anyone with another viewpoint is not permitted to speak, then go use an appropriate forum for that.