MAS 122
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16R is closed. Videos of some lunatic ranting about Allah from inside the cabin on social media. QF1 stuck at the gate. Police riot vehicles appear to be running around the airport. Just another day in paradise.
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Almost identical thing happened over 5 years ago in Melbourne, same airline, and same bomb threat. Male was given a 12 year prison term.
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There’s a 15 kt southerly
So, 99% of a/c are using 16L whilst 25 has been used for a 747 and a A380…. why can’t they use 25 for ALL departures and 16L for ALL arrivals at the same time? they've cancelled a truck load of services due to the single runway movement rate…. the mind boggles….. |
Originally Posted by ACMS
(Post 11484527)
There’s a 15 kt southerly
So, 99% of a/c are using 16L whilst 25 has been used for a 747 and a A380…. why can’t they use 25 for ALL departures and 16L for ALL arrivals at the same time? they've cancelled a truck load of services due to the single runway movement rate…. the mind boggles….. |
Not sure a fully laden 380 bound for Dubai could take off on 25.
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According to flight aware they were doing 692 mph at 36,000ft on their way back to Sydney. Isn't that super-sonic?
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Originally Posted by ACMS
(Post 11484527)
There’s a 15 kt southerly
So, 99% of a/c are using 16L whilst 25 has been used for a 747 and a A380…. why can’t they use 25 for ALL departures and 16L for ALL arrivals at the same time? they've cancelled a truck load of services due to the single runway movement rate…. the mind boggles….. |
One thing has been proven, all WB can use 16L so no need to require 16R in the future just because you don’t want to taxi that far.
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It has to be said, this was very poorly handled by AFP and SY airport corporation. 4hrs to remove the person in question effectively stopping operations into Sydney airport at a peak period. Twitter post at the time it was clear he was a nutter with his rambling the probability of a device is minimal if any AFP should have just entered the aircraft but I guess it would of taken 4hrs for the approval of stairs to be towed on A and then finding swissport staff.
SY airport should have been able to manage a regular flow, it took them 5hrs to NOTAM the use of A5 could have NOTAM RWY closed past B8 turbo props and NB jets could have maintained their schedule instead of the displacement of thousands of ppl. |
Originally Posted by SHVC
(Post 11484891)
SY airport should have been able to manage a regular flow, it took them 5hrs to NOTAM the use of A5 could have NOTAM RWY closed past B8 turbo props and NB jets could have maintained their schedule instead of the displacement of thousands of ppl.
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Originally Posted by skotos
(Post 11484589)
According to flight aware they were doing 692 mph at 36,000ft on their way back to Sydney. Isn't that super-sonic?
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Originally Posted by Traffic_Is_Er_Was
(Post 11484910)
It wouldn't have been SYD Airport calling the shots. They'd just be following the directions of the police in regards to exclusion zones etc. I'm sure they wanted to get back to business just as quickly as everyone else did.
Fair enough. AFP alone handled it poorly. 4hrs to remove someone really?! |
Originally Posted by SHVC
(Post 11484952)
AFP alone handled it poorly. 4hrs to remove someone really?!
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Originally Posted by Capt Fathom
(Post 11484953)
And your reasoning is….?
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Originally Posted by ScepticalOptomist
(Post 11484959)
….4hrs is a LONG time to remove a pax from an aircraft. :ugh:
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To chase all passengers out of the international terminal building from midnight to 3am is also part of very poor management.
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Originally Posted by itsnotthatbloodyhard
(Post 11484938)
No, it isn’t. True airspeed + wind component = groundspeed. (You’re not by any chance the passenger who got angry at a 767 crew for being ‘supersonic’ between Perth & Sydney a few years ago, are you?)
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Normally AsA ATC would be requested to provide a representative to the Emergency Operations Centre to act as a Liaison Officer. Perhaps no-one was available due to Operational Requirements or perhaps the person available didn't have any ATC experience, or their input dismissed or overruled by the NSW Police.
Exclusion zones are published and scenarios would've been workshopped by all agencies, especially ATC and Sydney Airport based on the wind / weather. RWY 16L for ARR, RWY 25 for DEP seemed an obvious option but perhaps the 40 minute recall for RWY 07/25 was a factor. |
What was the logic behind parking the aircraft at the end of the runway? What is wrong with a remote parking bay somewhere?
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Are there any 'remote' bays at Sydney that would allow for a big bang and not damage anything around it?
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Originally Posted by das Uber Soldat
(Post 11484467)
16R is closed. Videos of some lunatic ranting about Allah from inside the cabin on social media. QF1 stuck at the gate. Police riot vehicles appear to be running around the airport. Just another day in paradise.
Very seriously though, The MH122 cabin crew deserve bravery awards for their courage facing the threat, hopefully their Government (maybe even ours) will recognise them. |
Surely they haven't sat there for 4 hours if they are worried about a bomb going off.
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NSW Police have jurisdiction and control for this type of declared emergency, AFP would provide counter terrorism response.
Sydney Airport Corporation facilitates the emergency response to the responding authorities. ...and for what it's worth Menzies provided the stairs, MH is their contract. I think everyone knows and should understand that in this type of emergency the response has to be measured and there are well practiced procedures in place. Unfortunately, Joe and Josephine Average hate having their day disrupted, they just want to board and get to their next destination, no thought that there are a couple of hundred people locked in that metal tube, thinking that this could possibly be the last few hours on the planet. The final outcome is all the proof that our systems and safeguards are working! |
In the MEL incident, they were onboard within 90 minutes. Between the MEL incident and this one, what differences were there? There was a bomb threat made on both.
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Originally Posted by RampDog
(Post 11485033)
NSW Police have jurisdiction and control for this type of declared emergency, AFP would provide counter terrorism response.
Sydney Airport Corporation facilitates the emergency response to the responding authorities. ...and for what it's worth Menzies provided the stairs, MH is their contract. I think everyone knows and should understand that in this type of emergency the response has to be measured and there are well practiced procedures in place. Unfortunately, Joe and Josephine Average hate having their day disrupted, they just want to board and get to their next destination, no thought that there are a couple of hundred people locked in that metal tube, thinking that this could possibly be the last few hours on the planet. The final outcome is all the proof that our systems and safeguards are working! I’m not saying he’s correct… |
Neville_Nobody - Quite possibly they did..... and don't call me shirley:E
They are elite and this is not how they are trained to respond, fight or resolve. The end result is proof of how well we can handle these situations, there are some gung ho jurisdictions in other countries where there well may have been fatalities. |
Only the named authorities can confirm or deny how this event played out.
SYD Emergency procedures define that NSW Police control the scene of declared full emergencies at SYD, that's the hierarchy of control. |
Originally Posted by ozbiggles
(Post 11484598)
Maybe if it boggled a little bit harder it might figure out other things might have been happening on the airfield at that time
ummmm mate mate mate……..I’m aware of the MH A330 sitting on the south end of 16R on taxiway A6……yes it was the reason 16R was closed, I know. they did use 25 for 1 UPS 747-400 departure to SHA and an A380 landed on 25 that I watched. so 25 was available to use. my comment and mind boggling remains over their stupidity in only using 1 runway when 2 could have been utilized easily and NOT come anywhere near the exclusion zone around the MH 330. Indeed a lot of aircraft taxied close to MH A330 along L after landing…!!!! So genius, what’s the reason they couldn’t use 16L for landings and 25 for dep at the same time and hence double their movement rate? |
Old mate Andrews was questioned over the Melbourne response, too slow, police couldn’t find armour, special ops took half an hour to get there….and so on…
He simply said ‘nothing to see here’. That is generally code in Andrews land for ‘there is a lot to see here’ |
Originally Posted by neville_nobody
(Post 11484999)
What was the logic behind parking the aircraft at the end of the runway? What is wrong with a remote parking bay somewhere?
Originally Posted by Capt Fathom
(Post 11485008)
Are there any 'remote' bays at Sydney that would allow for a big bang and not damage anything around it?
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I think there are 3 related issues.
1/. Decision to use 34L A6 as the remote location. 2/. Runway mode operated. 3/. Time to de-escalate the situation and return operations to normal. Given MAS122 was an air-return then there was time to plan the intended remote location. The use of 16R as an arrival runway possibility influenced the use of 34L A6. Was the aircraft offered or did they require 16R? Either way then the aircraft could've been taxied to one of the other designated areas on 16L (lesser of two evils). Given use the closure of 16R then the use of 16L seemed obvious however other options could've been considered. As mentioned, 16L ARR and 25 DEP or 25 ARR and 16L DEP seemed obvious. Pleased that all are safe. If 1/. and/or 2/. were different then there should've less disruption overall. |
Was the aircraft offered or did they require 16R? |
What's the bet that we'll now all get extra security checks/scans, because obviously there was a 'MacGyver'-style threat that had to be work-shopped.
Waiting on a runway for 3 hours after 1 hour notice of a problem does not inspire me with a lot of confidence in the outfit that was 'in charge'. |
To be honest I thought they would have stopped all arrivals and departures for half an hour or more,so I’m mildly impressed with the response.
Is there a chance that a more efficient runway mode was possible but due to ASA staff retention failures it was unable to be implemented? |
Originally Posted by neville_nobody
(Post 11484999)
What was the logic behind parking the aircraft at the end of the runway? What is wrong with a remote parking bay somewhere?
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Originally Posted by neville_nobody
(Post 11485029)
Surely they haven't sat there for 4 hours if they are worried about a bomb going off.
Once the aircraft landed, the authorities would probably have assessed the risk as relatively low, but they still needed to be sure there was no device planted somewhere running on a timer. Though it is surprising that they didn't do a rapid evacuation. Of greater concern now is how this fruitcake gets sentenced. If they drop him in the loony bin for 5 years and then he gets out, who is to say he won't be like that other nutter in the Lindt Cafe disaster? They had pre-warning that he was a crazy radical, too. The Israelis would have dealt with this guy quite differently. If they hadn't shot him, they would never release him back into public life. |
Originally Posted by RampDog
(Post 11485047)
Only the named authorities can confirm or deny how this event played out.
SYD Emergency procedures define that NSW Police control the scene of declared full emergencies at SYD, that's the hierarchy of control. |
Originally Posted by DROPS
(Post 11484817)
"Operational Restrictions" quoted on the ATI.
Maybe this was the best they could do with the available staffing? Who knows. Should all run a lot smoother when SY APP relocates to ML in a couple of years. No doubt that is the reason for doing it. Smoothness. Don’t hold your breath for that DROPS, The relocation project is currently flatlining and appears to be heading down the road of another ASA failed project. As for 16L for arrivals only, with weather on final on many heavies in the mix I doubt a higher arrival rate could of been achieved, maybe 2 or 3 max. All these aircraft would then have to cross an active runway to get to the terminals as well as dealing with all the departures waiting to go off 25. 16L arrivals 25 Departures isn’t a mode ever used also, I think in the interest of safety what occurred was the safest given the situation. |
Originally Posted by KittyKatKaper
(Post 11485530)
What's the bet that we'll now all get extra security checks/scans, because obviously there was a 'MacGyver'-style threat that had to be work-shopped.
Waiting on a runway for 3 hours after 1 hour notice of a problem does not inspire me with a lot of confidence in the outfit that was 'in charge'. |
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