Qantas pilot sues the airline for sexual harassment
 

A Qantas pilot who advocated for gender equality at the airline is now suing the company, claiming she was sexually harassed and discriminated against.

Davida Forshaw, who has been with Qantas for 23 years and is still employed as a first officer, alleges she was sexually harassed by some of her male colleagues during her career in a statement of claim she filed to the Federal Court on Wednesday.

In the court documents, Ms Forshaw alleges she was told to dye her hair and wear a push-up bra, received a poor performance review after rejecting sexual advances and fetched coffee for pilots.

She is seeking monetary compensation from Qantas and is also demanding the airline increase its number of female pilots by introducing a quota.

From Daily Mail.

all gender discrimination claims should be dismissed - we can't define what a woman is anymore, and gender is fluid anyway.

Time to give the quota agenda a run again. :ugh:

Should we introduce quotas for every occupation where there are more males than females? Not sure why pilots think they are deserving of special attention.

I had many female friends and acquaintances in GA. I cannot recall any that didn’t end up in the airlines.

One way to increase the numbers into airlines is to encourage more into GA. Not the most exciting career path at present and financially crippling.

Amazing that this still goes on.

I never will forget 4 years ago with a Jetstar phone interview when they heard my voice and said " Oh, we thought you were a woman" beep beep beep

Bring on the quotas...

50% male cabin crew
50% male check in staff
50% female engineers
50% female ramp staff
50% plumbers
50% board members

Just see how long that lasts.

When I worked in the QF call centre in Auckland there would have been 70% females.

Tricky, so you ask a colleague out and he/she says no. When you then have them in the sim does that mean you can’t grade them badly for fear of perception that you are being unfair? It will be hard to link a poor grade to previous sexual advances.

Yeah, I think I am going to remain schtum about my thoughts on this particular subject.

Like many people, I’m all for the right person doing the right job.

Quotas however are demonstrably flawed.

It starts as 50:50 Male:Female.

It then becomes Male:Female:Other

You then have to define Other in a way that keeps everyone in that category satisfied. Gender fluid? Non binary? (Other options likely considerable).

But let’s say 50:50 Male:Female keeps the vast majority of quota hunters happy.

We have to move on and realise that, hang on, after we have our perfect 50:50… we actually don’t. Because diversity is itself…diverse.

Back to the drawing board when realizing that there is not a 50:50 split of sexualities. Or at least a split that covers all available sexuality “options” and assigns ratios to those that are acceptable to all.

Then religions.
Then skin.
Then hair.
Then left handed / right handed.

Of course, if 50:50 male:female is hypothetically desired, that itself can LIMIT female pilots in the sense that on a particular intake of 10 pilots there could be 6 suitable females, and one has to miss out because of a quota.

Plenty of other issues with quotas. I await the abusive DMs.

23 years an FO, that normal?

She didn't claim gender discrimination- any gender can be sexually harrassed.

Interesting that all the other comments are people triggered by the term "Quota"-guess they need a safe space.

All 32 genders can be sexually harassed??

Yep. Though when something is "fluid" it doesn't actually have a number of variations. How many petrols did you put in your car this week?

There was a time when only males could become Cabon Managers, and a hew and cry when it was opened up to women.

No, its not normal. In days gone by it would have meant goodbye, there is the door, and with good reason. I'd be grateful actually to still have a job.

But could you imagine someone mocking international womens day, horrific.

I'm just hoping parliament can keep up with all the gender definitions. It is clearly the most pressing issue in our western values subset. How you could make such a flippant remark about something as trivial as petrol proves that point. I put blend 792.3 in the car on Friday, proof there are at least 792.3 genders.

I thought as much, an acquaintance got the flick years ago for having a couple of goes, he certainly wasn't there for 23 years.

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TOTAL BS. QF has had many permanent FOS. It has also had times when it has taken 20+ years to get a command. Friends who joined in 02 after Ansett are just now getting commands- often only IF they are willing to change base, and some will turn it down to stay senior in base.

The facy that the moment anything to do with gender comes up, the BS merchants start up shows she probably has a point.

what was she alleging was the basis of the discrimination then?

HUGE DIFFERENCE between PERMANENT FOs and those waiting 20 something years for a command vacancy to come up. Two totally different issues., but you missed that.

Obviously you know very little about the Airline industry outside of your bubble, banging on about QF Cabon( sic) managers and your mates from Ansett etc. In the real world they don't have permanent FOs, that was the point. No one mention gender but you.

Define 'real world'. At the international airline where I previously worked (not in Oz), we had a number of 'permanent' FOs. In most cases they had already tried for a command at least once and were subsequently assessed as not suitable for further command training. They were still perfectly capable of fulfilling the role of FO.

I've worked for seven different airlines on three continents. From Englands biggest airline to the worlds biggest long Haul carrier. ALL had permanent FOs. Perhaps easyJet, Qantas and Emirates aren't in the "Real world"???

Sexual harrasement.

https://www.travelweekly.com.au/arti...p5dUFNiKdOMxyw

Probably not PC but I'm gonna call BS on the sexual harrasment.

And right here we see why we are consider a group of old, white knuckle-dragging dinosaurs.

Newscorp claim the events occurred 20-25 years ago.

ANYHOO, this is what she is after. Qantas will hire female suitable pilots as they become available. You cannot go and just hire for the sake of a quota. It is being made out like the place is falling apart due lack of female pilots. I can tell you, it is not. Sure it would be great to see an increase, but if they are not available they are not available. They are not appearing at recruitment drives, go back further in the food chain if you want to make an impact on female quotas in this industry, that is where it all starts.

In Qantas it is!

Yes, you could take a minimum time upgrade (if that was your desire) and basically give away control of your life for the next 6-10 years. The other drawback was that if you went for a command on, say, the 737 and failed, you’re now a 737 FO for a couple of years (with the associated pay drop that that could entail). Nobody intends to fail when they attempt an upgrade but some do, and you’d be an idiot if you didn’t consider the financial consequences of not making the grade.

Qantas couldn’t really give a toss if somebody decides to forego promotion and preserve their lifestyle and financial stability. A few old former cadets who’ve never known anything but Qantas may grumble about “lifestylers”, but as long as all the required seats are occupied, management couldn’t care less. The Qantas contract is an unwieldy piece of crap, but at least it (currently) allows you to make your own decisions regarding attempts at promotion.

Interesting that www.pilotingmindset.com seems to have vanished.

damn bro slow down. You're gonna break the internet if you keep squeezing any harder for that crumb of virtue

Sexual harassment and discrimination have definitely happened at QF. As in most other workplaces. If you don’t believe it, you are probably part of the problem.

Believe!!!!!!
(Or you’re probs a sexual predator).

Dumb response.

So, this has been pretty comprehensivley shown to be a bunch of old twaddle, and the fact that your almost instantaneous replies have suddenly dried up is duly noted.

Sensitive aren’t we. I just used your words buddy.
If using your words is dumb, It kinda proves the point I was making.
Have a great day, and try not to offend yourself by whatever else you happen to say.

All it takes for evil to flourish is for good men to do nothing. I know I've seen instances of harassement where I SHOULD have said and done more. Bystanders denying it happens is an integral weapon in the harassers arsenal

So a different version of:

Believe!!!!!!
(Or you’re probs a sexual predator)

You and Sprite should hook up and be miserable together.

You have a better day too ok? It’s not all that bad.

You're late for your INCEL meeting.

So true…and I know that most of my colleagues feel the same way. Thank you to those who stand up against bullying and discrimination. Those who don’t recognise it are part of the problem…and they also don’t recognise they are dinosaurs.

No, help where it's needed or you're a tacit facilitator of sexual preditors. You can misstate all you want, what has actually been said is right here on the screen. Are there no women in your life you'd like to see someone step up for if needed? Would you not consider it a problem if no-one did?

Qantas HR investigated the claims and cleared all of the accused parties of any wrongdoing and has cleared them to return to their duties.

Guaranteed if QF HR could find anything untoward it would have been pursued with great gusto in my opinion.

Some good people have had their reputations dragged through the mud and have been exonerated. Sadly, people allowed that to happen and the chief amongst them has lost any sliver of respect that may have been left.

The person who made the allegations is not back flying.

Draw your own conclusions.